How To Fix the Debt Crisis in America - A List of Top Ten Suggestions.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Uncorrectedvision ~ You won't get any argument from me. Thank you so much for commenting on what I feel is the most important issue facing the nation today. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Pente ~ I'm impressed. Especially with your first idea. Prohibition didn't work. Why would anyone think this "prohibition" would? It would be a multiple bang for the buck, too so to speak, as it would virtually eliminate a huge chunk of crime, bring in much needed revenue, and get some regulation over it to keep it away from children. Don't get me wrong, liking some of the other things too but this one impresses me as highly effective and long overdue.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment. God bless.

Uncorrectedvision ~ Totally with you there on Japan and Europe paying for their own defense. It's been generations! I'm all for state's rights, so the Medicare/Medicaid part works for me too. I don't really know enough about the other departments, at this point, to decide but really appreciate your input. Hub on!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

TTanglewood ~ Thank you so very much for dropping by and commenting. I agree we have to modify SSI. In my mind though it's more about tossing those who have never paid in off the rolls rather than the elderly having to work longer.

I could not agree with you more about investing in infrastructure. If we don't do something with the electric grids alone, we are about to be in big trouble.

Thanks again and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Uncorrectedvision ~ The stimulus stunk and worse it's gone and there is no getting it back. I'm really liking the discussion that's starting to go on here between some of you who know much more about this than I and I'm learning some things too.

I would like to address one department you mentioned, the department of education. I find it typical ooberment crazy that the literally millions of dollars for thousands of school districts did not go for new programs, more teachers, but no, the vast majority of it went for "infastructure" type things. Don't get me wrong, some districts really needed that stuff, but just as many did not, yet they still took the money and spent it where it really doesn't make a difference. Fancy Promethium boards to make a lecture more fun at the tune of 8k per room doesn't go near as far a greater concentration of good, lower grade reading and math teachers. When teachers have classes running over 25 kids per with a lovely mixture of LD, ED, sped in general, 504 qualifications, and over half the class enters on day one behind as of last years testing data, it's reading and math we need to really concentrate on, not how to better surf and present our lectures at the same time. Any teacher will tell you small group instruction in lower grades results in higer learning.

I do feel technology in the classroom is important. But without the basics being learned first, the rest is just fluff. That money could have been put to such better use. In ten years time those boards will be broken and obsolete. Reading and math skills once learned well can last a lifetime.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

TTanglewood ~ Thank you so much for stopping in and commenting. I feel it will take the thoughts of us all, our concentrated efforts to help our officials fix this since they don't seem to be able to on their own. This type of ongoing discussion and the fact that, at least for today, we still have the freedom to have it, is what makes America great.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Uncorrectedvision ~ This is great. The discussion continues! Thank you.

At this point, what do you think, if anything, the current yahoos in charge will do to fix this? To my way of thinking they are mostly just making a big to do out of it and squabbling. I wonder how bad will it get before they put the needs of the people before their own desires to appear free of blame.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Danette ~ Thank you for reading and for your kind comment. I don't normally do the links so much but, in this case, I think we all need to start checking our facts, from multiple sources, as much as we can. I'm hearing so much information that conflicts from so many angles.

It's really bothering me that we have allowed our government to become so corrupt that in such a time of crisis they can't put aside their b.s. and just fix the problem. I guess ultimately I have to go with what Granny would have said about this. If you can't pay for it, don't buy it. That about sums it up. We are spending more than we have. It has to stop. It's going to hurt and the longer we try to avoid just biting the bullet the worse it will get.

TTanglewood ~ You and Uncorrectedvision have quiet the discussion going on. I think it's too cool that if nothing else, at least as of right now, we still have the freedom to do this regardless of the side we pick to argue. Thank you so much for commenting. God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Prasetio ~ Thank you so much for reading and commenting. It is a sad thing to look at what we have allowed to happen in this country. We, the people, have got to take back control of our government and return to the frugal hard working values that made this nation great, otherwise we are destined for ruin.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Dear Epi ~ Thank you my friend. I am honored you stepped out of the world of poetry to read my rant here. I have never had the privilege of seeing Canada but I hear it's beautiful. If you are representative of the norm then I dare say it is a country full of inventive, adventurous, gentle souls. God Bless and the happiest of hubtastic hubbing to you! I'm heading over to check out that response.

Uncorrectedvision ~ Check it out! Another poet, how cool!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Keith Tax ~ I hope so. We have to make progress on all fronts if we wish to survive. I truly believe this is a right now, today type crisis and if we wait, if we just talk, we are doomed. We have to start applying some serious pressure to the people in Washington. We also have to make them pass some legislation holding themselves accountable. We can no longer allow them to rape America.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and for commenting. God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Winsome ~ Thank you for reading and commenting. I'm all for government workers being paid equivalent to private sector workers though I'm not sure about the Supreme court being the best route to arrive there. I'm afraid they would take way too long and cost the tax payers even more. Sadly, the idea that our law makers would pass such legislation on their own, while highly logical, is also highly improbable.

Part of the problem, as stated, is that they are there for too long and currently we have excessively little power to depose them. This must change. Further, how many of them have made a killing just in one term from kick backs and whatever one wishes to call it knowing full well they were not going to get reelected? The entire system must be revamped and those in office must be accountable to the people in more ways than just being negatively affected by public opinion. Yes, dare I say it, I'm talking jail time. How is voting on the side of the special interest lobby group that gave one the most money any different than accepting a bribe? Is it not a crime for our officials to do such? Why are we not prosecuting?

While I do think we all need to get a lot more vocal, I fear the aggressive, non thought out, random violence that has resulted in other places. We, the people, need a plan. On grassroots levels we must organize and define our objectives before we can effectively challenge current policies for God knows our officials have failed time and again to reform them themselves no matter how many times they have promised to do so.

I could not agree more we have to return to the idea of we the people. It won't be easy. Does anyone really believe those in charge want that? They won't make it easy. Look, already there is more and more regulation of free speech, of the internet, of protests. We must be sure our protests are well thought out, providing of solutions not just complaints, and brought about through peaceful means of overwhelming numbers.

One thing we really have on our side, I think, is money. We the people are also we the consumers and we the tax payers. Perhaps it would behoove us all to start examining companies that receive our dollars and their "political" affiliations. For instance, there is at least one American based car manufacturer that I have heard took zero bailout dollars. After I confirm that, you can rest assured it will be the only manufacturer I consider purchasing from in the future.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Michael ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. We definitely seem to have some problems in common with the UK. I hope we can come together from both sides of the pond on ways to improve our out of control governments before they do can any more damage. I don't think we can afford to wait until the next election here to start making some changes.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Nspeel ~ To me that is just a incomprehensible number. Can you imagine the interest? Does anyone really think we have touched the principle? Has to end! Thanks for the read and commenting. God bless and happy hubbing.

Uncorrectedvisin ~ One never knows.

Rockdresses ~ Isn't that the truth? It won't be easy. But I really think the longer we wait the worse it gets. Actually, I know it for a fact. It's simple math. Interest accumulates over time.

Thank you very much for your kind comment but this is in no way brilliant, merely commonsensical. It occurs to me, again, that our officials are not idiots. They are really well educated individuals, often turned out from the finest educational institutions in this country, yet they have virtually destroyed us. Makes me wonder is there some advantages to taking us out for them that perhaps we just don't know of on top of the major bucks we do know of. Why is it I am always hearing how dumb what they are doing is? Why do we just jump to the idea they are making “poor decisions”? Perhaps the decisions they have made are bringing about exactly the results they wanted… again, they really aren’t stupid. Or maybe I am just waxing paranoid tonight. Then again, follow the logic and the money… Wonder where it would wind up?

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Tony ~ It's good to see you! God knows I'm not smart enough to tackle such complex problems without getting a migraine myself, and still might not get it right, but I feel we all have to try.

I really like what you say about bringing our men and women home from foreign wars our leaders obviously have no intentions of winning. I further agree with shutting down many of the military bases overseas or at the very least scaling back staff and operations. Why not let the countries they are in help pay to have them there if they wish them to stay?

I don't really know enough about the tax code to even be able to intelligently respond to your suggestion of a flat tax. How shameful is that? I shall have to rectify that.

Thanks for taking the time to read and comment. Happy hubbing!

ConsciousMindz ~ Well, this will be a first. I don't remember ever openly opposing what someone here at the Hub says, but, there's a first time for everything.

I remember the Clinton years and yes the economy was better. That is where I will draw the line as far as the similarities. Make no mistake about it, I am stating flat out, in my opinion, the Obama administration has done more to destroy this nation than all other presidents throughout the history of the U S of A put together. The policies they support, in my opinion, are at best loosely termed as socialism. I find them in direct opposition to the ideals this country was built on. I'm not a big fan of either party to be totally honest as I think the corruption runs rampant throughout the entire apple not just one side, but, the Tea party, in my opinion, is at least trying. They put forth reasonable ideas, are willing to compromise on them, and they will actually get in there and work rather than turning everything into a mud slinging political circus.

In my opinion, this pack of jackals currently at the helm is the most deceptive, weak, crooked gang of “donkeys in horse harness” to quote a beloved southern classic. The only difference I see between them and organized crime is that at the very least gangsters have a code amongst themselves. These snakes aren't even loyal to each other, in my opinion, Sir.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Uncorrectedvision ~ You go dude! Tell it! This president is spend happy with our money and we the people are getting nothing for it but legislation restricting our freedoms rammed down our throats with a pack of lies and a smirk.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ Thank you. Yes, sadly I am all to familiar with the doesn't like facts crowd. They are cousins of the politically correct clan who in turn is loosely related to the it's raining fairy dust and everything will magically be ok family. We keep up with these far reaching familial ties here in the south, it’s tradition.

Happy hubbing, God bless you and thank you for your kind comments. How cool is this? It's not every day a girl has royalty drop by :).

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Ttanglewood ~ I love that we still live in a country where we can do this. I have serious doubts that will continue for long under the current administration.

See for yourself:

http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2010/12/20/obama-a

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/21/in

According to usgovernmentspending.com spending it clearly states in the row marked total spending the the following amounts were spent….. (this is in the billions of course)

2007 - $3239.8

2008 - $32460.3

2009 - $3398.9

2010 - $4016.0

2011 - $4385.5

2012 - $4467.8

I may not be a rocket scientist but I think we can all see the upward movement in the spending trend.

As for your next point I have no intention of arguing that this mess did not start under the previous administration. Wasn’t a fan of them either though I will say that I never in my wildest dreams heard the last administration sounding like socialist. While the current five alarm fire that is sweeping the nation did start then the current administration has made it so much worse. The public has no faith in it.

See for yourself:

Rasmussen reports says 43% of Americans strongly disapprove of how the President is performing.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/pol

Gallop says 52% disapprove on how he’s doing in relation to unemployment.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-oba

Not only has he not inspired or led the nation, let us not mention all the campaign promises he broke because hey what candidate doesn’t do that, but further, he has not even put forth a plan with any detail or substance.

As for the taxes issue, as I told Tony, I am not prepared to comment about it at this time. I will in the very near future after doing some research.

As for your last point about those complaining about insurance taking it, again, I never said either side was perfect. In fact, I have said that here repeatedly. If we are going to consider the larger topic of national health insurance though let us not forget the recent court finding that requiring American’s to buy health insurance is unconstitutional.

http://smartabouthealth.net/1/2011/08/13/appeals-c

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Ttanglewood ~ Believe it or not, I’m not against some tax hikes, if and only if they are applied directly and in addition to what is already earmarked to go there to the principle balance of debt. I think hikes will ultimately be required but I don’t think it should be ones that will be on business and thereby further restrict job growth.

While I am willing to pay more, I expect our government to drastically cut spending in all areas. There is waste of epic proportion. I have no problem with the elderly and truly, truly disabled getting benefits. I work with the disabled and I love them like family. But I think we all know that a huge percentage of recipients really should not get it. And benefits and services for non citizens? PLEASE! What other country in the world does that? Not to mention unemployment benefits that span years? Really? I think many could find a job in less time, no all mind you. I know of several people personally that won’t take a job because the ones available frankly suck and they make almost the same collecting a government issued check. It’s wrong. It’s killing us. It’s hard and it’s ugly but we have to wake up and smell reality.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ Oh wow! Princes blush? Color me surprised. Yes, it seems I have once again unintentionally used my super ability of shooting off my mouth and landing right in the middle of it. I think we both know what it is. It's ok. I have much experience landing in it and this time, it's actually worth it. The non politically correct, unedited version of the plane, simple, unadulterated truth must be told.

This angers some and scares others. We all have our own defense mechanisms that keep us in our comfort zones. Sadly, I'm truly afraid we are about to get knocked out of them when the dollar is worth so little that a week's paycheck will not buy groceries for the night. I wonder if "they" have been keeping an eye on the pricing trend of groceries over the last two years?

Thanks for commenting you royal frog you. May you have the most hubtastic of happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Ttanglewood ~ I’ll deal with each point individually.

The neutrality ruling's purpose is irrelevant. It is yet another governmental attempt to interfere and take control in what is not its right. Big brother has gotten much too big for his britches.

If a customer does not like one’s service provider one is free, at this point in time, to change said service provider. I know this as I have done it. It’s easy. Look at all the other businesses the government has taken a hand in. How well is that going? By the way, that’s rhetorical.

I’m no fan of that particular provider either. That aside, I’m less of a fan of further government control especially in an area that is one of the few bastions of something close to free speech be their legislation openly designed to target that end of it or not.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ I'm laughing over way too much coffee and the seeing the sunrise from the wrong side here as I see we are on the same wavelength. :)

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince coninued~ It's not just those either, housing insurance has gone up, the price of medical attention has gone up, lets see, postage stamps, is there anything that has not gone up? Oh, duh, what am I thinking! Of course there is. The value of the dollar. Silly me. Oh and let us not forget my paycheck. I have been at the same place of employment for going into my tenth year. I love it. This is the first year ever I am not seeing a meager, but non the less appreciated raise. Why is that? Cause the current administration's policies are so effective that school districts across the nation are rolling in the dough. Sorry about the dripping sarcasm :). There is a direct and positive correlation between how much coffee I ingest and the amount of sarcasm I spout. I'm on the second pot.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ I love all things Texas but I am not originally from here. I'm from the great state of Ms. But, I have been here since I was a teen and it's become home and I would not trade it for the world.

I have to have my caffeine buzz. No coffee, no Vix, it's a package deal.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste! I say that as a teacher, not of English obviously, but still. To my way of thinking the current laws are doing more to hurt the state of education in this country than drugs, gangs, teen violence and apathy combined and that is truly saying something. But alas, that is a hub for another day. God bless you, Sir. May all of your hopping land you firmly on friendly ground.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ Sweet! Thank you :). God bless you ya big green gentlemen you.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

The Frog Prince ~ I am a firm believer in the little known fact that typos are a sign of superior intelligence. They just show how your brain is moving at a faster rate than your typing!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Frank ~ Thanks for reading and commenting. The saddest part is that you are so very right. This won't fix anything. Only making our leaders enact things such as this will and we better find a way to effect that while there is still time, if there is still time. The more I learn the more I doubt that but we still have to try. God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Erin ~ LOL. No, but I think the Frog might be a good candidate. Thanks for reading and God bless you.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Sammyfiction ~ Thank you! It's really nice someone noticed. God bless and the happiest of hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Wayne ~ Color me not surprised about the top ten getting our money voting against us. And as you say, what do we do? The same thing, send more. I also am starting to wonder just what all goes into the figure we are presented. Does it include public works projects, food and emergency supplies sent and such? Somehow I doubt it. Shamefully, I'm just starting to really learn about how bad some of this is and the more I study the more I'm getting the idea that we only are shown the merest tip of the iceberg.

You make a stellar point about the Asian work ethic and the respect that is ingrained in them. I remember after the earthquake/tsunami seeing how they really pulled together as a people and worked so hard to help each other, to maintain dignity and hope in the face of things that would freeze the heart of me.

"Washington must be cleaned out, scrubbed down, fumigated, and restocked..." that is the truth!

Thanks for the read and your insightful comments. God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

SubRon ~ Thank you so much for taking the time to read and leave such a kind comment. God bless you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

ConsciousMindz ~ First, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for returning, for engaging in a respectful dialog in an ongoing effort to arrive at reasonable, viable solutions, and for providing evidence to back up your points. While I may or may not agree with said points, I do admire your effort and dedication.

Hubpages is a great place. Sadly, after having been here a year, for the most part, I am just now stepping out of the writing/poetry topic section. That being said, you are most likely much better prepared to argue your side than I; However, let me see what I can do here…

The first “fact” you mention I contend is not a fact. Let us examine it some shall we? You state the nonpartisan congressional budget office’s figures as positing that the $787 billion spent “increased employment between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise.” Oh my God, let me count the bad. Well, a general rule in research is that an independent party is best for validity. I question their figures at best. Are you truly willing to deny there is somewhat of a conflict of interest there at the very least? Next, you quote “increased employment” by somewhere in the range of over one and a half million jobs. A one and a half million plus range! You know, I have heard of various studies or testing measures by being off by a few percentage points but over one and a half million. PLEASE. Lastly on this “fact”, you state they say, “compared to what it would have been otherwise.” What a convenient way for them to phrase it when one considers the actual fact that it’s a prediction at best. Their predictions are never right. There is no way to prove it.

I’m sorry, but I can not put much weight behind this. It’s no different than the same thing we hear again and again on every commercial… “Four out of five dentist surveyed recommend.” You know it’s really funny how they seem to find four out of five for any and every product they want to market. This is at the heart of the problem with we, the citizenry. Some of us believe anything and everything we see in print or hear from someone in authority. We can no longer afford the luxury of blind trust in those who disseminate information nor the misinformation they spread be in intentionally misleading or not. We must examine it from all angles including who it comes from and how it may benefit them especially when it comes from the same people that just gave away billions of dollars of our money.

As for asking the employees of General Motors, I don’t have to. I concede completely that they would be unemployed without the bailout. It’s a terrible thing. It’s also not the taxpayer’s responsibility to keep an ailing company afloat. If GM is tanking, that’s the sad reality of capitalism. I seem to remember Ford not accepting bail out dollars. Our economy has problems. Some companies are going to fail. Some people will lose jobs. This has happened throughout our history. It makes no sense at all to throw money at a failing company. What happens? They spend the money and then they fail or one keeps having to pump funds into it. It simply does not work and is economically irresponsible.

In the spirit of open minded discussion I just did a little research on that nonpartisan committee you quoted. I found that they estimated each job created by stimulus cost the American taxpayers $228,055.00. EACH JOB! Oh my God this is their own figures!

Check it for yourself:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-jobs-creat

That’s the height of insanity! I know all those supposed jobs are not paying that much so why should we spend that much to create them? That’s like running a restaurant and spending a hundred dollars to make the world’s best burger and then selling it for $1.99. You would be out of business by the end of the day.

I will return shortly to address more of your points. Right now I feel the need to walk away as the more research I do the more I realize how badly we have been screwed by the very people we call our leaders.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Consciousmindz ~ Cont.

Next, you cite Recovery.gov as stating $172 billion has been spent which is true. That site breaks down where the money is going. Let us examine that shall we.

They list three huge categories that the money is going to which are tax benefits, contracts grants and loans, and, oh big surprise, entitlements. If you examine each of those you will find our money went for things like foreign aid. USAID is the very first agency they list! How on earth I ask you does sending away so far over 35 million dollars to another country stimulate the American economy? It doesn’t. That is their number by the way.

Over 5.1 billion was spent, so far, by the department of defense. Mind you, I am all for my tax dollars going to the defense of this nation, but I ask you again, how did that stimulate the economy? It did not.

In fact, if you read the most incredibly dry document they posted supposedly accounting for where all the money went in regards to defense, found here, http://www.recovery.gov/News/press/Documents/DoD+O you will never once through the entire document find which specific companies were awarded contracts or how much they got. In fact you will find very few specifics other than those supposedly proving all accountability measures were met, though it never states specifically exactly how or by whom.

I could go on for pages and pages checking each agency. I did a few. This is ambiguous legalese designed to pacify those who won’t critically examine it. I have to mention though one I found highly ironic. NASA got some of this. And what did our fearless leaders do then? They shut down the space program. What better example can one find of lunacy?

They list tax cuts here too and make it look pretty good. I’m a teacher in a right to work state that does not have powerful lobbies that ensure I get a great retirement. Funny, I’m having to pay in significantly more taxes this year than I did two years ago. Every teacher I know is. We don’t make a lot to start with so I’m not buying the tax cuts helping the average Joe.

Also they list entitlements. We have become a nation with way too many people looking for a handout and not willing to work for it. Mind you, I am all for helping others. The best way to help anyone is to help them help themselves. We have not done that. We are doing the opposite of that.

I do not see where this money added jobs. Unemployment is up not down.

I do not see where helping companies that are still in trouble did anything but put a bandaid on a severed artery and charge emergency room prices for the privaledge.

As for out of business signs, look around. I don’t know where you are but I’m seeing more and more of them and by the way compared to the rest of the nation, the Texas economy is looking really good.

I am all for money for education that is well spent. The vast majority of it is not being spent well. Technology in classrooms is the big push and getting a huge chunk of the dollars. That sounds great and to a point it is. We need computers and the internet and such. We are getting things like 8k a piece Promethean boards in every classroom while they are too cool, are virtually useless if the student can’t read. Some districts are giving students Ipods to use in class. Cell phones while being very cool and the latest in technology are not needed to teach reading, writing, math, science, history or the anything else. They are fun and they do keep the kids engaged, but the kids already know how to use them. They are not needed to teach the curriculum. We need to be spending the money on smaller class sizes which means more teachers. Do you realize class caps are virtually a thing of the past? Have you ever tried to keep 25 plus teenagers, half of whom have special needs, many have criminal records, many have children, and all would rather be doing something else on task and interested in learning math or whatever the subject is? Those great gadgets will be broke in a few years. Investing in our student’s when they are very young by having small class sizes to ensure learning by all will last generations. Throwing money at things is not the way to fix them. If the stimulus did nothing else, it proved that. Nothing is fixed. Nothing is better. I don’t care who puts what figures up where if you look outside you will see people that are scared. They are paying more for the same things and bringing home less to do it with. They have lost hope and lost faith because they know they can’t trust their government or even the media.

In conclusion, we all have to start using our God given common sense and calling things for what they truly are. Wrong is wrong. Corrupt is corrupt. You know what they say about the winner writing history, right. If we are truly going to question our government and wrestle this problem we must look outside the information they disseminate. This is just plain old fashioned common sense.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Wayne ~ Thank you! Your not about to hear a word of argument from me. God bless you for telling the truth!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Martie ~ Thank you for your kind words. Honestly, America has some serious, seriuos problems that we have to start addressing. I fear we will allow our leaders to continue to turn our very real crisis into a political circus to manuveer, posture and campaign while the nation sinks further and further into a hole it will take us all working together to dig out of as it is.

God bless and keep you and the happiest of hubbing for you.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

@ Jon Ewall ~ Thank you for reading and commenting. I am looking forward to viewing the video shortly. I sincerely hope the super committee can and will solve the problem. Sadly, to be totally honest I have zero faith that they will based off their track records. I really hope I am wrong.

As for the question "...can you believe him", I do not think I can based off past experience. That being said what I think will happen really doesn't matter. Something actually getting accomplished for the good of the people does.

Thanks so much for reading and participating in the discussion. God bless you and happy hubbing!

@Besidestillwaters ~ Wow! Got to say, I like the way you fire off ideas, and some pretty solid ones at that. While I agree with most I really like these words, "The government, in particular, the executive and legislative, must return to their constitutional charges. They were not authorized to become engaged in ownership or lending within the marketplace. We are a free market enterprise, not a mixed socialist one! Or are we?" I think you really hit the nail on the head. It's this unwanted, intrusive, invasive thrusting of what many of us feel are socialist principals into our government and our lives that lies at the heart of much of what is currently making a bad situation worse, in my opinion.

Thank you so much for really good ideas added to this discussion. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Consciousmindz ~ You referenced the report sir, the fact you got to it through Fact Check only makes Fact Check the secondary source, not the primary which is the report itself, as I have no doubt you know. I referenced the report itself. In my opinion, you’re just upset that I used your own reference to prove how wrong the point you were trying to make was. I shall no longer continue this discussion with you. I find it offensive that you twist information as you are obviously an intelligent person from the way you write and frame your arguments regardless of the fact that you continue to consistently twist the truth into something that appears on surface value to support what I consider to be some pretty leftist things.

I will not waste my time rebutting every link you throw up to make it appear you are right. I have repeatedly here shown your own data to prove my own points.

This is America, sir. Thank God we all still, for today at least, still have the freedom to say whatever we wish. With that in mind, perhaps you could publish a hub of your own to use as a platform for your writings instead of mine. I saw when I went to your profile page last night that you, at that time, had zero hubs published. You have made a whopping total of two comments to hubs other than mine of the thank you for the information variety, yet you consistently bomb mine here with misinformation. I support your right to free speech and Thank God for it. Please use it on your own hubs, not mine in future. Obviously, you and I will not agree. I shall no longer allow your comments to appear here for two reasons.

First and foremost, I feel this kind of politically motivated mangling of actual events, this politically correct, candy coated veil of misinformation being used to confuse people is the opposite of what we need. Secondly, it’s just rude.

I am leaving all comments submitted prior to this point in time because of my vehement support of our God given right to freedom of speech. If you stay around here very long, I think you will find the vast majority of Hubbers to be very smart. They can and will read the “data” you have dumped here and will check out your hub as well, when you publish one. They will decide for themselves as they should. That too is their God given right.

For those of you reading this comment wondering how can you decide what truth is when everyone is arguing exactly opposite things, I say this…

Both parties have contributed to the current crisis. This blame game ultimately is wasting our precious time. The current administration is the one that has to fix this and they, in my opinion, are failing miserably at this point in time. Again guys and gals, look outside, judge for yourselves. Once you have decided things for yourself, speak up long, loud, and often because they don’t seem to be listening so far.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Jon ~ I wish I had more time to check this out right now but I have to go to work. I thank you so much for contributing to the discussion and sharing your vast knowledge here. I will comment further after work. God bless you and keep you and truly, thank you.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Jon ~ Let me start with, wow! The more you comment here the more I learn :) I have to be honest. I don't believe the president will put forth a viable plan because, amongst other things, he will not want to make needed cuts to entitlement programs due to fear of upsetting his largest group of supporters. Further, I'm not sensing from him anything that will calm investors and you know he wants tax hikes for the rich, i.e. investors. Without business being will to hire and investors being willing to put the money behind companies so they can do that, unemployment will most likely continue to rise. I know of one segment of the job market I predict will show huge numbers of layoffs between May and August, education. Many districts across the nation have been surviving off bailout dollars for the last year. It's all gone. There were major "turn overs", incentives for early retirement, layoffs and non renewals of contracts all across this state and I suspect many more over the coming summer. Districts now have fewer staff and more incoming students.

Sadly, I don't have too much faith the opposing party will put forth a balanced budget either, though I think they will be much more in line with that goal. I do think both sides will continue to make this a circus for attention and posturing as they have been doing. I really hope I am wrong about this but if they really were concerned then why are not they all still there working on the problem? They are on vacations and tour buses, jetting about here and there it seems. I'm sure there are some legitamatley working, but I think we all get the point.

"WILL OBAMA'S '' NEW '' PLAN BE BELIEVABLE or just another broken record?" I am going for the broken record. I have to admit, the interest on this debt, you state 1 billion a day and I believe you, is scaring the hell out of me. In my opinion, all of them, on both sides, need to get in there and cut, cut, cut spending and some taxes are going to have to be raised as well. Waste must be eliminated. Somehow we, the common, average Joe people, are going to have to be heard! Their continued pestering and bickering and politicizing everything is destroying us. Every time I think of how much money we owe just in interest, that's not touching the principal balance, I hear "Jaws" music in my head! We have to start paying on the principal balance of this and paying significantly or the interest will be insurmountable, if it isn't already that is.

Thank you so much for taking the time to continue the discussion here. God bless you and keep you always.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Ty ~ I doubt not the bait and switch you speak of but it occurs to me that for them that is business as usual is it not? I believe the quote starts... "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union..." We, the people, are no longer heard. They no longer represent us.

They remind me at times of wrestlers on prime time trading insults with opponents and generally talking sh#t to get the audience all pumped up and keep the ratings up. Funny how those same two guys that just rip each other apart on T.V. go have a beer together after the match. Obviously, I know they are not that awful bad, exactly, maybe teetering on the line, but honestly, they are not working to solve the problem. Not enough. Granted, I feel the conservative side to be doing much more towards fixing it and the current administration, in my opinion, has more than run amuck, (did you hear about the no more deportation? The total bypassing of congress?) but both of them can do better. We must demand more. We must remind them it's our country and we put them in charge. We can put someone else in charge. Also, we have to make them reform the election process, term limits and the like. It's too hard to get rid of them!

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment. Bless you and happiest of hubbing.

rorshak ~ Thank you! That's just the sweetest thing to say. God bless you and happy hubbing.

Stephan ~ Glad you liked it. Thanks for dropping by and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Mike ~ I don’t disagree with you about the Fractional reserve banking. It’s devaluing the dollar as you stated so much better than I. What I don’t really understand is this. What gives the “Fed” their power? If they are not part of the government, how can we get rid of them? Sadly and obviously, I need to research the Fed some. I have heard they are not part of our government before and that they are the problem but I need some help figuring out exactly how the nation can go about it. Please elaborate? :)

Thank you so much for stopping by, reading and adding to the discussion. God bless you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Candy ~ Thanks for dropping in. I have to admit, I am a little confused as to how a this pertains but it did give me pause and perhaps this was your purpose....

If nothing else, events of this nature, and so much worse, demonstrate the power of social media as a tool to unite. The old saying, "the pen is mightier than the sword" is taken to a level unforeseen in the history of the world when disseminated through social media due to the instantaneous communication it affords people who would have never knew of each other just 20 years ago.

I find this phenomenon to be as potentially dangerous as it is powerful. What scares me the most is that it is largely being used mostly by younger people who may act rashly. We all saw what just happened in London. At the same time, were it used to organize peaceful, assertive, active and determined citizens into a voice with a plan, I think it would send a message that could not be ignored. But again, that was just a thought that occurred to me when I viewed the link and I can't ever condone misguided acts of destruction and violence like some that have been associated with this "flash" behavior.

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Anarchos ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and participate in the discussion. I really appreciate links too :).

You do have a point about our two party system limiting the field and us all feeling like it has to be that way. Thanks again and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 9 months ago

Jon ~ I finally got to watch the Back in the Black video. It frustrates me to no end that no one up there is listening to this guy.

I wonder if we can afford to wait for the current leader's plan. And seriously, I'm not putting much faith in it being a good plan. In regards to unemployment, as I see it, it is a multi layered problem. Investors are scared so there are not a lot of new ventures or expansions, in fact there are layoffs. Obamacare has employers and workers alike terrified. Taxes on the rich, i.e. the ones with the capitol and means of production are leaving America and taking business overseas. Current lending conditions and tax laws are not conducive to the formation and success of new private sector small businesses. Unemployment benefits are running for an absurd amount of time enabling some who could take a job now to not and hold out for something better. Not that I don't want them to have better, but come on, some of them need to take what they can get and hunt for better while contributing. Older workers are working longer out of necessity as they have seen savings wither away to nothing and are often still strapped with other family members who remain dependent upon them at home. This further inhibits job acquisition for younger workers. The price of education has risen at the same time as the price of everything else which is a double whammy for those trying to pay tuition. I'm no economist, government annalist, or any other kind of fancy title that should be able to comprehend these complex problems so therefore I have no doubt I am oversimplifying things some when I say this, but to me it's like a domino effect that's occurring all over the place winding down to one big crash. :( I really hope someone can come along here and convince me I am wrong.

Thank you so much for taking the time to continue the discussion here. God bless and keep you always, sir, and I wish you the happiest of hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ I could not agree with you more about jobs. Jobs are a necessity that we must secure. They must take precedence over most else. I can't see the job market improving with tax hikes on the rich, as you know. Corporate dollars are pouring out of America at an alarming rate due to friendlier tax policies and business climates in general abroad. Mind you, I am no fan of big corporations, but right now we need them. If America no longer appeals to business, unemployment will only get progressively worse. To be honest, I'm really not sure how much time we have left.

You say the debt crisis "has been temporarily resolved", but, with all due respect and more, I have to disagree. I disagree with the thinking that such statements lull us into. They have not solved anything. Yes, they have done some stuff, the government did not shut down, grandma got her SSI which is too cool, but really nothing is fixed. We all, myself included, for too long have allowed this kind of thinking to take place. Disaster has been temporarily diverted so something is "resolved", at least for now. Not true. If we really look at it, nothing is resolved, it's just delayed. I guess, ultimately, it's like when I was a kid and did everything possible to avoid taking "icky" medicine because I knew it would taste bad. Eventually, I would wind up way worse and end up getting a shot which was way worse than the medicine ever would have been. This situation is the same. Our leaders have avoided taking the medicine, making real changes, to prolong and avoid what is inevitable. I mean seriously, can't we all smell the stench of impending global economic crash here? I keep hearing what is expected compared to the Great Depression. I'm getting the feeling it's going to make that look like a walk in the park. I don't think we can afford the luxury of thinking anything is resolved temporarily or otherwise though the crash has been stalled.

You know so much more about all of this than I do, obviously, and I really appreciate how you continue the discussion. I wonder, what are your thoughts on how we can get some of the changes we need, now? I don't think we can afford to wait for over a year for a change. Ultimately, these guys are supposed to work for us. How do you think we can start holding them accountable? I direct this to you specifically because you are so knowledgeable in the political arena.

Thanks again for coming back. Your comments are always welcome, well thought out, well presented and insightful. May God bless and keep you always and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Mico Sam ~ Thanks bunches for reading and commenting. God bless.

Peter ~ Sadly, yes, many are abusing the system. It's not just those systems either. Further, there is the drain on our support systems by many who are not legal and do not pay taxes. Not to mention the revolving door crime associated with a number of illegals who thug out and pull a retreat and return over and over and over. Imagine just the law enforcement/court dollars spent.

Thank you for reading and commenting. Happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ I keep hearing that, and to a point I agree, but, I don't think it will be near enough. I find it really hard to believe they don't know. To me, it looks more like they don’t care. I am not familiar with any polls that say the majority feel things are being handled well. I feel certain they keep up with the pulse of the country. They may be out of touch with the common man, but they sure understand us well enough to say what they know we want to hear at election time. To me, that’s pretty strong evidence that they know.

I fear a revolving door policy where yea, we vote one out, but the same money that put that one in puts in another just like him. This crisis has been building for longer than my lifetime. How many of them have come and gone in that time? Even when we get a huge change over some things continue on like business as usual. They might be better or worse to a degree, but the same spend now pay later attitude runs throughout the whole. With that said, I am talking about the debt issue here only, not the issue of what, in my opinion, are socialist principals, derogatory labeling, strong arm tactics, and manipulation being used by the current administration. Further, it occurs to me, why should anyone really care about getting reelected too much if they make a killing the first time around? We all know "pork" spending benefits them more than us. I don't know what the answer is, yet. I seriously hope we can all find one and fast.

I think much of what is being done and has been done can be seen by the vast majority of us as wrong, bad for the country, and contrary to the founding principals of our union. At what point do we stop making excuses and calling things “bad decisions” and start to really look at the fact that perhaps they are destroying us because that is their purpose? They are not dumb. They are in fact better educated that most of us. When I say “they“, I don’t mean all for I do think some really are trying their dead level best to fix things, but one rotten apple, as they say. I have to wonder, if something is done that is so obviously against our best interest, against the wishes of the people they are supposed to represent, is that not the very spirit of treason? Is it not a crime? Are they really, legally allowed to do things so contrary to our good, our future and our very survival? I pose that as a question, for everyone, not a statement. Think about it peeps!

Yet again, kind sir, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your ongoing comments. They and you are greatly appreciated. May God bless and keep you always.

@ Billyaustindillion ~ Sadly, I can not argue the logic of your statement. I would like to add to it though that I really don’t think we can afford to wait. If we don’t act, SOON, it won’t matter who thinks what, it will be too far gone. Thanks bunches for taking the time to read and comment. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky Dee ~ my sincerest apologies for taking so long to respond to your comment. The vehemence of your argument struck me and I wanted to read through it a few times and give it some thought before deciding what I think about it. In my opinion, in general, as applied to the "politician type", you talk about, in the end, I had to recognize to a fuller extent than I already had that yes, the entire apple is rotten be it red or blue. It seems to be the only game in town. People say vote them all out and it seems logical but what good would it do if the replacement pool is full of the same?

I think part of your argument really hits at the problem. They are not held accountable. They are not prosecuted. They send off our boys to fight when they will not fight themselves nor will their children. I know there are some exceptions to this. McCain fought for our nation, but sadly, he is one of them now. I hate to think every single one of them is corrupt, it goes against my nature. I have to believe at least one, somewhere, is not. But that's my heart talking. My head knows it doesn't matter. The majority is for sure, while there may be some holdouts that still have their souls, I can't afford to count on it. Our country and our children can not afford to count on it.

I shall not get into the personal comments between Jon and yourself. You were one of my first followers and I love your stuff. I have admired your courage and conviction to the truth, to what is good and right and to the spirit of this country since I first read you. I do not know Jon. I just found him here on Hub Pages recently and really only know of him through these comments located on this Hub and I have read one or two of his. From the comments left here and what little I read, I feel he knows more about politics than I do. As you know, this arena is not my typical cup of tea so I’m behind the curve here. I do not think it would be right for me to do so considering.

I thank you for taking the time to comment here, for your love of what is right, and your courage to stand up for what you believe in. God bless you always!

Jon ~ Man, I have to say, this hub has started more mess than any I have ever written and I never saw it coming. I do poetry, not politics! Things are going to get a whole lot messier I’m sure before we get this nation back on track. If we can. If it is God’s will that we do so which I have to say I doubt. I know it’s not popular to discuss religion or politics and I’m bringing up both. The current events around the globe read way too much like the book of Revelations for my liking.

Micky Dee owes me NO apologies and I thank him for sharing his thoughts. While I’m not getting into the personal between the two of you, I agree with much of what he says and admire the courage he shows in saying it so vehemently. I think it’s needed. I’m not saying this to take sides, honestly. I am not criticizing you by saying it either for I really don’t know you. I have followed Micky for just over a year now. I have seen into his heart and soul through his hubs which are full of them. He’s pure. He may be a little sardonic, dry, and in your face at times, but in this day and age of “politically correct” that’s what is needed to get the point across.

The current crisis, the debt, the downward spiraling global economies, the tightening noose of control around our collective necks, the constant assault on freedoms, it’s all been building for a long while. Many elections have happened in that time. Control of various branches and offices has flopped from one side to the other. People have voted every time. Yet the one way straight on march that led us to where we are today changed not no matter which side was in control. Not matter what we voted for. We must, in my opinion, demand legislation and the enforcement thereof that holds our leaders truly accountable to the constitution, to the nation, to we, the people.

If they really represent us, then they need to do what we want. The majority of Americans feel we are on the wrong track, especially in relation to the debt. It has to be paid, not delayed. Spending must go down, not around, that end. It must be now, not some framed out in a thousand and one too long pages of legalese wherein the devil lurks behind every detail document that comes with tenfold side effects and “others”, but rather, a simple statement of facts. I think Wayne Brown said it really well with his assessment that it must be, ‘washed out, scrubbed down and restocked”… or something very close to that.

Thanks for contributing, God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ I am very sorry about whatever is going on between you and Micky. As I said, I'm not getting in it. Further, I'm sorry it's going on here. I do agree with Micky's assertions of corruption and admire his conviction for saying so. Again, I make no comment at all about the personal nature of comments between the two of you other than to say I respect you both and wish you each the best. God bless and keep you.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky Dee ~ Man, you and Jon are going at it. Again, I'm not getting into the personal because as I said I don't know Jon or really what he does. The profile says Chicago Consultants. I have no idea what that really means.

You want me to pick a side, DRAW A LINE. I thought I had, but in case I was not clear, here it is. I think our government is corrupt on both sides. The line is between us, the people, and them. Is "them" limited to just those we elected, I think is where the question goes from there. I have to say no. They, by definition, would have to include those that pull the strings. That would include a lot of suits. As you said already bankers and lawyers would have to be at the top of the list. Aren't most politicians also lawyers? I pose that as a question because I have never sat down and done a tally, but I think most are. I know they all have lawyers working for them. Does it include every suit? I don’t know. I know an elderly preacher that wears a suit everyday. He’s a good man. He’s a republican man. He gives the majority of every dime he makes to help residents of a local nursing home where he also volunteers his time. A lot of his time. I have seen him take off that suit jacket, roll up his sleeves, and pitch in and help with many physical tasks.

I will not say “all” are good or bad in hardly any category. I can’t believe every banker in the world is bad. There has to be some Podunk town with an honest banker left. Now there are exceptions here of course, in my opinion all rapist, child molesters, and Satanist are bad, amongst other labels. I think you see the distinction.

As for the comment made about you being a liberal. Please. I never bought it, no one really could if they read you stuff and I don't think Jon really means it as anything other than an insult, at least I hope not for it can't be true. Yes, you support the rights of the oppressed and the common man but that doesn't make you a liberal. You fought for your nation and apply common sense with a heart from what I have read. While I am not a liberal either, that doesn't mean I want everyone kicked off all entitlement programs. I don't. Especially the elderly that worked to build this nation, paid into the system, and now are left hanging so that younger people who just don't want to work can suck up taxpayer money.

I hope this clarifies where I draw the line. It was never my intention here to piss anyone off and it still isn’t but I will not candy coat anything for anyone anymore including myself, you and Jon, and everyone else. It’s nicing things up and politically correctness that got many of us here in the first place. I will not say Jon is an evil, un-American “them” for I do not know him personally, from what I can tell he is not an elected official, and I don’t really know what the consultant thing is all about. Nor will I ever call you a liberal. I thank you and I respect you for sacrificing for America through service. There is no greater deed any of can ever do for her. I will say he has made some good points in his comments about things needing to be paid and I agree. You have done much more than just words, you have lived it when you were fighting for you country.

That is my line. I doubt it makes anyone happy, except me. It’s hard but it’s as honest, fair, and consistant as I can be. I do not wish to be drawn into judging people by labels. That’s not going to help because right now we can’t afford to loose any serious ally we can get in an effort to get this nation on the good foot, even if it is the possibly one good banker left on the globe. I’m sorry if I have offended you and I will always respect you greatly but I have made my line and I stand behind it.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Ok. Micky, you have made a lot of claims here and I support your right to do so. Further, I support prosecution of criminals. That requires evidence. Some sort of proof. Some sort of pointing to action/s of some kind by an individual. I have not seen that. I have seen a lot of name calling here. You say he is a criminal. If that’s true I will gladly support you but if you are going to make the accusation you should at least try to back it up in some way. I want to be on the right side in all of this.

If I really think about it, it comes down to he said /she said. What exactly is your allegation? Are you saying he is a politician? Are you saying that because his job is white collar that makes him a criminal? I can’t buy that. Now if you are saying that white collar job benefited him financially from tax payer dollars that’s different. Is that the case? I really want to work with you here but I need something to work with!

The rule of proof must hold equally for all. Labeling him without presentation of some evidence is no better than the horrible laws of the past and present times that oppress people due to them fitting into or not some designated label or grouping. There has been so much criticism over the last two years of the fact that anyone that questions or complains in any way about the current administration is racist. We all know that is not true. It’s applying a derogatory grouping without evidence. It’s not different that any other ridiculous prejudice. Everyone is an individual. Everyone should be judged by his or her actions.

Are you saying that anyone that doesn’t make anything is un American? I don’t make anything. I’m a teacher of special needs teenagers. Does that make me un-American because I teach and don’t produce a product? I have to dress professionally, does that make me bad? I have never been to war. Does that make me un-American? I support our military men and women one hundred percent. Does that support pale in the shadow of their sacrifice? Of course! Does that mean I’m un-American? Well if it does, the majority would fall into that category as you have defined it.

I don’t know Jon’s personal circumstances. Do you? If so, please, substantiate your claims. Right now, I don’t see the substantiation. Again, I want to be on your side because I know in your mind you are fighting the good fight and I want to do the same. I will not however be bullied into derailing a man I do not know to be guilty. I would do the same for you or any other American. I think you would too. So if you have backup please share. Color me stupid if you want for not seeing whatever it is that you think I should and break it down, please.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ You want to know what Jon does? What he contributes? Like I already told you, I don’t know. Why don’t you ask him, assuming you have not? You say I am a bad teacher because I don’t know. Ok. Well, you’re right. I have not Googled him. I have not read every single hub and comment and answer he has ever made. For that matter, I have never Googled any Hubber. I wonder how many of us have. It’s kind of a scary thought actually. I don’t teach current events in relation to politics or history so you are right, I am behind the curve here and for that I stand guilty as charged. I shall be rectifying that post haste because contrary to your opinion, sir, I am a good teacher and mind not at all some extra research. You’re right again in that we all should be doing it. I have no reason or excuse for not having done so save all the time I have been spending preparing for my new class of developmentally disabled children that, contrary to your agreeing or not, I do a very good job of teaching the Fundamentals of Transition to. That by the way is the new politically correct term for what used to be deemed a Life Skills Transition Program for older High school students. I use it because it is now required of me to do so due to the historical derogatory implications and associations with the previous language. I work my butt off teaching MR, AU, and ED kids every day how to access things like jobs, rides to doctors appointments, advocacy, medical care, fair housing, job skills, behavior management techniques and whole host of other things very few care about any more.

You say I should write about Freedom of speech. Why on earth do you think you’re comments remain here, sir? Or his for that matter? It is because I care so much about that basic, God given right regardless of how much you insult me for not automatically believing you when you tattle on Jon. I asked for evidence. You challenged me to go find it. I shall look… hard! However, I shall also point out, not that it matters obviously, that the burden of proof is upon the accuser, but whatever.

As for the name calling bits, you say “…yet he is quick to call me a liberal. “ I NEVER called you a liberal. In fact as you can plainly see above, I come flat out and say the opposite. I NEVER called him a criminal. I will NOT do so to either until such time as I have some proof. I will not go on some wild witch hunt just because someone says someone else is bad. Further, hello, you started the name calling on this hub. I am not aware of comments between the two of you on other hub though you may rest assured I shall be looking for and reading them.

You say “don’t vote.” Don’t participate in the system. Again, I have stated here, and I mean it, that I think both parties are corrupt. They have wasted our money and are not making the changes the nation wants. That’s evidence. However, PLEASE, present me with a viable solution!!! How do we change the system? You seem to think I should know. Maybe I should. Maybe we all should. We don’t. You say that I will outlive you. That one day we will know what you say to be true. I doubt I will outlive you. I seriously wonder how long any of us have left and I don’t think it even totals single digit years to be frank. If you know how to fix it, a realistic planned out viable, possibly one day implementable plan PLEASE share it and call me an idiot all you want for I much prefer our nation get the guidance we need than worry over personal insults that mean nothing.

You fought for our nation and I thank you as do many others. Did you catch shyt for it? I’m sure you did. I wasn’t out of diapers then so I don’t exactly remember it but I know from the history I have read you are right. None of you were treated fairly. I know my grandfather who fought in WWII was not treated fairly by the VA hospitals nor respectfully right up until the day he died. You say I don’t support vets? How can you say that?!? I may not have fought in a foreign war myself but I have family that has and I’m not just talking about my grandfather, God rest his soul, so don’t go there with me. If I find solid evidence that Jon actively does things contrary to the good of our vets I will call him or anyone else on it myself.

I support your right to make the broad ranging allegations you have made here. I do not feel or think you have judged me fairly but that is your right and I support it. I was raised to respect my elders so I will NOT be getting personally insulting with either of you. I will however call things as I see them with substantiation. I will not take sides just because someone thinks they can verbally berate me into it.

I will say I think it will take us trying hard to communicate and work together be we all on the same page, all aware of the same information, or all on the same ground to come anywhere near getting us back on track. I am not as quick as some others to jump on the bandwagon of name calling and labeling, of division and dissention amongst we the people. If and when I find specifics you can rest assured I will speak out.

You call things as you see them. We need that. I shall continue to do the same but I will not make any claims I have not seen for myself to be true no matter whom it upsets. With that I am about to be off to start reading and looking for myself.

You can not save this nation alone. Others want to help you. I want to help you. I am not your enemy no matter what you think. We need leaders. You have the potential to be one and I’m not talking about running for office or anything like that. You are listened to and respected and could teach a lot of us. You are older and wiser but to do so would take some form of substantiation to your claims against the individual. Against the “machine“ I concur, can‘t you see that!?! For too long we have all listened to what others thought, what sounded good, what resonated well without hard, cold facts to back it up. If that is the standard we should be using, and it is, and I admit it should have been all along and I myself have not been as diligent about it as I should have, nor I bet have many others, but if it is to be then it must apply to everyone equally, the good, the bad, the ugly, the misinformed.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ I told you I would check. I did a Google search which came up with mostly Hub posts and Twitters. I start with the Hubs.

Hub the first ~ criticism of the lack of honest reporting on the current administration. What’s wrong with that? We all seem to be noticing it.

Hub the second ~ A hub on dispute resolution as it relates to home improvement. An informational type hub. Where’s the bad?

Hub the third ~ A hub on the national health care bill. Not in favor of it mind you and urging people to call their representatives. Again, where is the bad?

Hub the fourth ~ Another one not in favor of the national health care bill and downing the fact that it has 2000 pages of text hiding God knows what. Again, where’s the bad? I agree. He says the republican proposal, which he further says never made the floor, is 70% shorter. While I may not be a fan of that party totally either I like less text to hide stuff in. Personally, I would like to see even that number reduced as I am a firm believer of the devil is in the details. I’m getting the idea at this point maybe you’re just mad because he’s a republican. Well, again, not a fan of the two party system but hello, only game in town. At this point in my reading I’m not seeing anything that screams criminal. I am seeing someone that’s working hard making hubs to inform people and empower them in the way he believes in. Is that not why we are all here?

Backing up to Hub the second I believe. It provides a link to his company Chicago Consultants. I hit every major category. He provides some FREE services to help improve web sites traffic and offers tools. It looks to me like he does produce something. It’s called intellectual property and services. Kind of like what we are trying to do here with the hubs we all create. I have made no decisions yet but continue on in my reading…

Hub the fifth ~ yet another on the health are reform bill. Talks about how the proposed bill will do exactly the opposite of what it is stated to intend. We all know that now to be true. Again, where’s the bad? Now, this next could be construed as questionable, if he sells insurance. It mentions at length several things related to the sales of insurance, one being sales across state lines, and that could be personally motivated. How many of us have not written hubs that were somewhat personally motivated???

Hub the sixth I think it is now ~ You notice I am going in order of his first published through present. Anyhow, here we go again with the national health care bill and this time how Beck will report the truth we are denied from other sources. I don’t know if Beck reported the truth. I know I agree other sources didn’t/aren’t. Note to self - These hubs are short as far as word count and mostly written in all capitol letters which those of us who have been around a while know better than to use. Obviously, these were his early hubs. You said he is part of the problem, the misleading of the people. It seems to me the real crowd doing that is way past the level of making the mistakes of low word count and all caps, i.e. automatic low score and therefore lower readers… moving on.

Hub the next… I’m loosing count here… geez - ok. I think it’s seven - Ok this one is about the current fearless leader’s first term and the promises that were broken. Again, where’s the bad??? I see most of us have mentioned one or more of them and you, yourself have been spewing the bad of ooberment! That word is not a typographical error, by the way, considering your opinion of my grammatical skills, just so there is no question. I feel it is a good emotive descriptor… NOTE to self - Still not huge on the word count but the all caps thing is history. No visual or graphic support of any kind. Seems non-professional crook to me...moving on.

Hub the eighth I believe it is now ~ Yet another on the debacle that was the health care reform bill. But now, he’s not creating anything, right? Only eight hubs, no work there… moving on.

Hub the ninth ~ Can we guess the topic? I have to say, I admire the dedication to pursuing a goal and he’s obviously against the national health care reform bill. I don’t agree with it myself because it drove up cost, made unemployment worse and was against the wishes of the majority. Where’s the bad? Not seeing it yet … taking a break to smoke. Yes, the politically incorrect, nasty habit that is now subjected to social, tax, and legislative prejudice just like more and more choices every day, before I move on.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ First off, I must apologize for the blatant assault on your character you have experienced here. While I did not do it, it is my page and I have allowed it to remain. Please understand, I do so with no ill will towards you but only in the interest of free speech. Micky has made some serious allegations. From what I have read thus far I see no substantiation thereof. In fact what I see, so far, is a working man looking to promote his business and from what you say take care of a family. Neither is any small feat. Further, I see from your hubs you write, at least up to the point I am, about what you know and believe in. Yes, you seem to favor one party over the other, but then so have I though I have also said I'm not overly fond of either and find fault with both.

The fact that you have a child who is a vet speaks more than I could ever say. I thank you for sharing from the bottom of my heart and am ashamed that you felt the need to do so based off comments made on my hub. While I stand behind the fact that we all must be allowed to speak out if we are to progress, I hate how personal and ugly things are getting. I honestly and deeply believe we have to work together. Yes, I think crooked leaders, ones who take money for influence, votes, power, coercion, whatever one wants to call it, and corporate leaders and power players too who look to control the people for their own ends and profit should be targets of public outrage and held accountable by law. I do not and will not support unsubstantiated labeling and slanderous, instigating remarks without support behind them. At this time I see nothing to convince me that you are anything other than a man working and trying to help as are many of us. I will continue reading because I said I would, and because I really believe we all have to check, double check and triple check everything these days though I hate that it has come to that.

Thank you, sir, for your patience and forbearance of a difficult situation and for your being able to rise above the personal and still contribute. It shows maturity and self sacrifice in and of itself.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Yes! It is and as of today, it is still an American value. I might not agree with much of what is said, but I support peoples right to say it.

Sadly, yes parts for sure... I pray not the whole.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Continued ~ Next hub ~ “Obama Demonizes The Insurance Companies”

It talks about how the bill is sneaking things in without approval and how it will increase the debt and hurt the nation. Yet again, not seeing the bad. He does state emphatically that people should call their representative and voice their opinion. Is that bad? I don’t think so. I suspect it may be a waste of time and effort for I think they know our wishes for the most part and voted otherwise. Does that mean we abandon the American way of government by no longer participating? Where is the mature logic in that? It’s like wrecking your bike and leaving it because you’re mad it’s damaged instead of sucking it up, carrying it home and fixing it… moving on.

Next hub ~ “Barac Obama reform Bill for Better or Worse” Jon is dedicated to opposing this that’s for sure. I think he has shown a certain amount of effort in defense of his beliefs. We all know hubs don't just write themselves. This hub brings up several things that were snuck into the legislation that have nothing to do with health care such as student loans among other things. All true. Yet again, not seeing the bad. At this point I will state I suspect a large part of your criticism of him has to do with his support of the republican party over the democrats. You seem to find them evil. Certainly that party, as have the democrats, has done things that hurt us. Yes, they started wars it looks like they have no real intention of winning. The democrats have done just as much damage through irresponsible spending. Is it killing soldiers in the streets? No. It’s killing children in their own homes as they slowly starve while their parents look for jobs that don’t exist. Both parties are at fault. Again, PLEASE present a viable plan that works around them, fixes them, replaces them, I’m open to options here…. Moving on.

Hub the next ~ Ohh! New topic it looks like. This one is about Goldman Sachs, the current President and an alleged conflict of interest. I’m not sure he really proved his allegation here, though I do see a conflict of interest, but he did post links that supposedly support the claim. NOTE to self - Word count is still low, still no graphic support at all. But, the writing is improving. More logic and links are backing up arguments asserted as compared to hubs one and two. Sorry, the teacher in me notices such things. I see no glaring evil in this. I see a man trying to help as best he can within the system that exists. I am going to sleep as I have spent a great deal of time researching your allegations to thus far find zero substantiation. I shall continue, but not now.

No matter if you believe it or not, I wish you only the best.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Last NOTE before passing out... side note- last cig. of the day is always the best.... I went back over all of the hubs of Jon's I read tonight to double check comments. I found not one from you anywhere nor did I find any verbage from him directed toward you, Micky. I shall continue reading tomorrow as stated. I did, however, note that no tiny number of your followers left supportive comments. I wonder have you attacked them as you have me? I hope not. I don't know what exactly your problem is with me but I would like to think it's localized.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Sligobay ~ It's so good to see you! Thank you so much for your kind and supportive comment. Unless you want to take a longggg wade through horror, it's best to avoid the comments as the good, the bad, the ugly, and the beyond slightly crazy are all dancing together there...it's like a mosh pit! I have learned one thing since starting this hub. It's so much worse than I thought. I don't mean the debt or the ooberment control. We all know how bad that it. It's right up in our faces at the now. What I mean is how divided we are. What chance do we possibly have if we can't even come together long enough to talk through the problems? Kind of disheartening really, but ultimatley... the harder the challenge, the greater the accomplishment.

God bless you and watch over you always. Thanks again.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Sligobay ~ Thank you! (Monster huge bear hug for the support)!!!

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xXSweetiXx ~ No arguments here. Really, you make a good point. It won't work by itself, but it sure would help. Isn't China getting enough of our money just from the loans? Do we really have to buy up billions of their products at Wal Mart daily? Many have said America doesn't produce anything anymore. As far as tangible goods, they have a point. It is on the decline. If we stopped buying goods from overseas the need for the goods would obviously create a producer in our free market system. If this attitude were backed whole heartedly by consumer spending and some taxation more friendly to small and newly formed business, it could be a powerful force driving our economy in the right direction. Thanks for the good input!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ You wanted research… continued…

Hub the next ~ Barak Obama, The Present,The Past ~ LOL. He starts out talking about how quiet the press is being about the health care bill that was past. Ok, I have to give it to him. He really goes for it on this one. He rips the President apart using well established facts for the rise in unemployment, the raising of spending, numerous broken promises, and the ridiculous czar appointing nonsense. NOTE to self - I was not aware the czars were exempted from previously required background checks. Not liking it myself. The comments got a little more heated and involved on this one. I notice there was NO comment from you here nor was there one from him to you… An idea of what your real gripe is has occurred to me and I have to say in some ways I’m seeing what you mean. I will, after I finish the research you insist I don’t do, address it at length. I considered just jumping straight to it as it would save me considerable time, but a promise is a promise. I said I would read and examine every scrap and you shall see, sir, that I shall. So far all that is happening from such is Jon is getting increased traffic, and reviews here as well. The evidence is proving the opposite of your accusations against him, so far…. Moving on.

Hub the next ~ The Deepwater Horizon Oil Well

~ an expose type piece surrounding the circumstances of the accident and associated spill. It spreads the blame around. It does end in a series of sentences updating current stats like unemployment and the like. To me, over the course of what I have read so far, it’s like a wrap up on the state of things. I find it unique to his writing and somewhat cool. He does it a lot. He adds to it in comments. To me, this shows a significant amount of work. Yet again, I see no glaring bad here nor any comments from you or to you, as yet… moving on.

Hub the next ~ Immigration Enforcement And Barak Obama ~ This is about what the title indicates. I have to say I do not agree with his statement about revolving ilegals needing incarceration. I don’t want to pay for it. I would rather see our borders enforced and our enforcement men and women allowed to do, and supported in, their jobs. That being said, I see nothing wrong with his statement. He certainly has the right to make it and I agree with the spirit behind it of getting this situation under control.

This is awesome! He really hits hard further in on this one and totally backs up every single word. He’s right. He even quotes law to do it. I know you have a problem with lawyers but the law quoted, or one of, is the one where the office of the President should uphold the protection of America. NO BAD HERE…

Wrong on my part. I’m hitting the comments here. I see the first signs of this situation between you two. You say he went to some hub and called you a liberal. Haven’t found it yet, but I will. I see you ripped him apart pretty good. Again I see your total disdain for government and that’s not bad. But yet again, I don’t see any proposed solution other than an opt out which in all honesty, we all know won’t work. It’s the ostrich with her head in the sand. We are in this country. We have to fix it. Yes, republicans have started wars and done greedy things. Democrats have robbed workers blind and flooded our nation with ilegals. There’s blame to go around. Does that mean we abandon our nation? I think not… breaking now to do some much needed housework, oh yea, feed the family and the like. I will return. I will continue.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Sreekumar Sukumaran ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and for your comment. You are correct. We will have to revive the economy. I think xXSweetiXx had a good idea towards that end. We could also start investing in ourselves with small, home based businesses and taking our money out of banks and placing it into credit unions, perhaps. These are just my initial thoughts but would take some research to be sure. Further, we could push for laws taxing import goods for sale here at a higher rate. I would love to hear any ideas you have on how we can help. Thanks again. God bless you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

GlstngRosePetals ~ Thanks so much for your kind and supportive words. There is massive abuse to what should be sparingly used social support systems. Have a great night, God bless, and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Let’s start with Freedom of Speech. You keep saying you don’t have it. Were that true, you’re comments would surely not be here. It’s not like they portray me in a flattering light. If I truly were opposed to it, you’re comments would be gone. God knows that would make my life easier right now. I don’t believe in taking the easy way out.

Freedom of Speech comes with responsibility. For example: Don’t yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire. Basic stuff here. You came to my hub, my online house, where you were welcome, and started sh#t. Not with me, but with John. It’s rude. I supported your right to say what you said only asking that you back it up. You think I should already know. Too bad! You’re allegations against him without providing any evidence to back it up is no different than any body else in history that has done the same. You say all of both sides are bad. As far as the parties, the higher ups, I’m agreeing with you that many are and have all along and anyone that reads here can see…just scroll up. There is bad on both sides. BUT YOU TOOK IT FURTHER stating “all lawyers, all suits are bad.” That is no different than any other racist, elitist, ageist, sexist, or any other kind of “ist” you want to throw out. It’s like when the Clan says all people of color are bad. It’s wrong. It’s hate motivated. You can not truthfully say “all” of any!

The saddest part about all of this is that you are too blinded by anger, which I admit you have a right to, to see that on your main point of the corruption running throughout the system I agree. I only ask you to back up your statements. But no, you would rather go on a unsubstantiated rant. You say you aren’t running for mayor. WE NEED YOU TO! Can’t you see that! We need people who recognize and can’t be corrupted. Opting out of the system ensures the permanent enslavement of the people! That is where we are headed. I could easily go on a rant here and rip apart the leaders of the past and present. What good does that do? NONE. It would only make me sound as crazy as some of your earlier statements have made you look.

You scream for Freedom of Speech but yet, on this hub, in the comments you clearly call for the death of all of some groups. Hello, does the term genocide ring a bell with you? It demonstrates a clear lack of responsibility. I am all for the prosecution, to the fullest extent of the law, of any and all officials who do things against the good of the people. Laws aren’t strong enough? Then we should change them. You say they are murderers. I have to say, in some instances, I think you are right. That doesn’t mean we just bow down and let them have it! You emailed me about your hubs being pulled because you “don’t have freedom of speech.” If you were spouting stupid mess like that, I can see why they were pulled. You are an intelligent man. You know how to say things in a truthful way without letting temper cloud the message!

To support any such claims against anyone for any reason without proof makes a mockery of the ideals of justice you say you hold dear. Honestly, I think you do hold them dear, but just are not thinking straight because of your anger.

You talk of freedom of speech, but do you mean it to apply for everyone? If not, if you don’t mean it to apply to Jon, or anyone else, it means nothing. It is no different than the old Jim Crow laws, just this time it’s applied to a white collar, white man. I do not agree with your personal attacks on Jon nor do I agree with him calling you names. With that said, grow up!!! He called you a name. So what? You called him a name. WE NEED MORE METACHOLRINES AND LESS TESTOSTERONE!

Rants that are not reasonable, logical, and at least somewhat thought out and presented in a way that others can understand them, and backed up with some verifiable facts, are useless. They hurt your cause.

I will not condemn Jon no matter how much you scream. He has a right to support the republican ideals he holds dear, just as you have a right to support the humanitarian ideals you hold dear. That is what freedom is all about. It’s about the free exchange of ideas, of being in support of and/or opposed to, of all thought, but it must be done responsibly or it winds up being one of your favorite words… drivel.

I will continue to read and report on Jon’s hubs looking for the so called evidence you say is so clear. I urge everyone to do the same. Then I will do the same for yours, though, I will not comment on them. And FYI you can stop bombing my email box. After the virus software lit up today, I will no longer even scan them but rather just hit delete. Mind you I am not saying you knew it was infected nor that you sent it in a malicious way. I am saying considering the nature of our ongoing comments I do not feel safe opening them and would appreciate it greatly if you would no longer send them.

CORRECTION to your statements~ I have not read your hubs from day one as that is physically impossible as you have been here much longer than I. I have read some of them and agreed with the spirit of what it said. I agree with the idea that our entire government is corrupted as I have said. I do NOT and will NOT agree that opting out of it is the answer. I will NOT condone what is sure starting to look and sound like a call to anarchy from you. I will, have and shall continue to speak out in an effort, be it futile or not, to get the people to reform it!

The country, all of us, owe you a debt for your military service. Were you wronged upon your return? I’m sure you were. You keep saying a vet should have freedom of speech. You do. You must just use it responsibly as is just and correct.

Understand, any and all further posts I make concerning the ongoing thing between you and Jon are not directed to you. I don’t need nor will I ask your permission to research as I wish, at my pace, and make my own decisions be they ones you support or not. I will NOT make allegations without backup. You do as you wish. You’re the one who has to live with it.

Lastly, you keep bringing up God. In the matter of you and Jon, let me quote the good book for you…

“Judge not lest you be judged.” “Love they neighbor.” It doesn’t say agree with him or her. It says love. You can’t just love the ones that agree with you. You can’t just scream discrimination when it affects the ones you like. For it to mean anything at all, it has to apply equally to all.

In conclusion, I am adding the last bit of research I did last night, not for you, but because I said I would do the research and you can take it the ever failing banks that I shall finish it… For me. Because I do what I say I will. I will not go on a rant that only makes the side of good look foolish. I will not cave into my own indignation and temper when that will NOT help.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Research ~ Side NOTE in support of what you have been ranting - I am currently viewing a video on the hub “The Georgia Guide Stones, The New World Order, and the War Against French Fertility” By Wesman Todd Shaw - In my opinion, this is a pretty damning video for both sides on a global scale that will result in exactly the kind of human price you have been saying. Is it a reason to give up? They are obviously, those in charge in the agency over food and those appointing them, aware of the dangers, yet they did it anyway. This is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about when I say hold accountable and prosecute for here is sustainable evidence. Does it mean we should not participate in our government anymore as you assert? I don’t think so. That’s like just handing it to them on a sliver platter. Not that they don’t have it already, but I think the point is made. The ideas of a pure America lives within her people, the common man, be he white collar or blue in many cases. The common man has to get to being the pool from which our leaders come from. You mention certain schools as producing the only leaders and you are right in that most come from an ivy league background very different from the vast majority of us. I can’t see where any of this personally relates to Jon, but I do see where it is support for your both sides are the same it doesn’t matter either way argument/rant. I don’t agree with it not mattering though. It does matter. The government, at least in theory, in principal, should belong to the people so the people have to be the ones in it. We can’t just let them have it…. Just some thoughts.

That is the end of what I wrote last night…. Here a few more thoughts.

I don’t know what you will do, other than run off at the mouth, but I shall, when done with my next research on that exact video on the above mentioned hub, start firing off letters to prosecutors urging action. Will it work? Probably not. If enough of us do it, it will. Would it be easier just to go on an unsubstantiated rant? Sure. It does no good. Even in the face of what we feel to be insurmountable odds, we must try. I must try. I will not give up on America.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

KT Banks ~ Thank you very much for reading and contributing to the discussion. Micky seems to think your comment is directed at him, and it may be. I don't know. Either way, God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

CORRECTION on myself ~ Earlier, in the comment addressed to Micky, I used the word "entire". (Two or three comments up) My bad. I should have said most and I apologize. I refuse to believe everyone is bad therefore, entire, was a very poor word choice on my part. Sorry guys and gals.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

KT Banks ~ Thank you! Really, the kind words mean a lot. I wish I were really smart and/or capable of fixing things. I'm not capable of it, nor am I that smart though I can wish, but WE, the collective, huge, masses that comprise the WE are. I have never taken the kind of heat over any hub that I have over this one. That's ok. I believe what I wrote and I really love that you took the time, twice. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Geeze things are moving too fast here... I'm just now posting another reply to your previous comment and I see you have added another...I will address it next after I post this and get a smoke!

Micky ~ You wrote…”Abandon the nation? Of course you have. You've abandoned the Bible first. WHAT ARE YOU TOLD BY THE BIBLE?”

I wish to address only this one part of the comments, at this time, as part of it rings true and I feel moved to do so. “WHAT ARE YOU TOLD BY THE BIBLE?” The smartass in me that’s ticked at you right now wants to pop off that we are told many things, like judge not and love, as I said above. However, to be totally honest, I think I know what you are trying to say. What you are talking about, if I’m right… is the following.

The Bible says that in the end days the government will be against the people in the chapter of Revelations. It goes on to talk about many other horrible things that any of us who really know it can look around and see popping up all over the globe. It’s not new either. The timelines been kicking for quiet a spell and you know what I’m saying.

That said, I still won’t give up or give in. I believe, and I’m not telling you to, or saying that I’m right, but I believe that I have to try in spite of knowing that in the end evil will win for a time. It will at least as far as it will control. The masses will suffer.

The masses are suffering and have been for a long time. It’s been such a gradual escalation of evil that it has gone largely unnoticed save isolated incidents here and there complete with sacrificial fall guys to satisfy the people and give them the illusion of some striving for an ideal of justice. But really, if I really, really, think and feel and pray on it, I still believe we have to try to get things back on the right track. If this is not the end, and we don’t, we have lost. If it is, and we don’t, we have lost. If it is, and we do, we have lost. Get the picture here? Personally I think it is the end as far as the timeline. It’s not about winning or losing at this point. It’s about how we go out. I believe in the ideals of the America I grew up with. The America that lived in my head and my heart before I was old enough to see Mommy and Daddy are NOT perfect. WAYYY not perfect in the ooberments case. The ideas, they may be full of holes from where our government officials, past and present, and other “suit” types have perverted them into weapons that, yes, have hurt billions world wide and still do. That doesn’t mean the spirit of Freedom, of our GOD GIVEN CHOICE, is to be handed over to them even if I know they can and will, with a smile on their faces, take me out as soon as look at me.

America is my home. I believe the government was meant to be the heart of that home. I want us to get it back. You may argue we never had it. Maybe that’s true. It doesn’t matter. We believed we did. That belief in an ideal is America. It is Freedom. It is not to be surrendered be it lost already or not.

I have no idea if I have explained what I mean well here at all. I’m tired, hungry and want a smoke. I shall return to this idea, not to continue an ongoing anything with you, but rather for myself, as contrary to your opinion, I do love God. I do love my country no matter how corrupted. And I do see some truth in what you have said… some mind you and I stand behind all my earlier statements. I see the truth, and I see the good and the bad and the ugly and the desperate and the hopeless. It all has to be put aside. Each of us must do what we feel is right.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ "I'm not running for mayor." For the second time, ( I have to wonder if your just scanning here ) you should be! Government should be comprised of the common man. Why does it have to be comprised of Harvard lawyers? Because that's who we voted in, among other things. After reading this, all I will say at this point is read my above comment.

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Micky ~ I just love how you obviously just scanned my comment to you which can be easily seen by anyone who actually takes the time to really read both yours and mine. I liked what I thought was you, the fire, the passion for the common man. I did not recognize what lay behind it. It is noble when applied to EVERYONE EQUALLY. But, you do not listen to anyone. I have not been your follower for some time as you would have known days ago if you bothered to do your homework. I was nice to you, respectful even. You started this mess with Jon and I would have gladly stayed out of it but you had to start and continue to start sh#t here, in my house. What you do in yours in your own business. When in mine, I expect a certain amount of civility for all participants. I have been fair, honest and consistent. You have been demanding, refusing to even read thoroughly anything not your own, and beyond insulting like some child on a playground.

We have views that are similar in some ways but so far apart on how to fix the problem as to be a gulf spanning the universe. You have stated your case. I have stated mine. Thank you. God bless. Goodbye.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Vonoss ~ Ok?

Micky ~ Again, GOODBYE.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ Last time I'm going to say it. Goodbye! Don't come back. Stay away from me, comments, email, whatever. I have told you and told you. I won't say it again.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Micky ~ I emailed you days ago. Since then, I have told you more than once to stay away from me and to stop emailing me. I have not emailed you since nor will I. You have emailed me three times TODAY, that doesn't even count the ones from yesterday, also sent after I told you to stay away from me. This, in my mind, is a form of stalking, bullying, whatever you want to call it. STOP! LEAVE ME ALONE! Do NOT contact me in any way ever again.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Suzettenaples ~ Thank you. You make a really valid point. I don't know the answer, but I think, we have to start electing the common man. We have to reform the election process and make it so that the common man can represent the common man. I don't think it will be easy, but I don't see another way at this time. I'm open to hearing someone else's idea though if anyone wants to give it. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Again, I'm so sorry about the comments above. As you know, I'm leaving them because we should all be free to speak, though I'm really checking into exactly where the line should be for I feel said individual is really abusing the right, hiding behind it to spew hate.

Your comment left me wondering something. Will you please elaborate on your comment about "billions of the stimulus" going to China? Why? How does that stimulate our economy? It doesn't make any sense to me why they did that. Do you know how they spun it in such a way as to justify it?

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks bunches for the information, the links and the head's up on the TV shows. I will be setting the DVR. It's interesting you mention renewable energy. I recently saw a short video about a guy that was given a grant to find a way to make solar energy viable. He says he has and has been off the grid since 2006 but that he's being "encouraged" to be quiet about it. Thanks again and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Thank you. Have a great holiday weekend!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks for the link. Going on and off huh? Funny, a link I had here, and some others for the hub I'm working on now, had to be replaced due to the same kind of thing most notably the one with the budget breakdown. It makes one wonder if someone doesn't want us to see the information, or talk about it, or encourage others to talk about it... you get the drift. Just a thought. Enjoy the holiday!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Venzkhvam ~ Thank you so very much for your kind words. They are most greatly appreciated. I can't tell you how much.

It is a telling fact that kid's can make a better budget is it not? It makes me wonder if our elected officials are even trying. I have to think not.

God bless you and may you have the happiest of hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks bunches for the links. That's a mighty big if there! I would to think it will happen, but honestly, I will believe it when I see them do it and not before. I can't wait to check out the hub on solar power. Thanks again and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks for the update. It should be interesting to hear though I exhibit zero faith it will work or for that matter I wonder if that will even be it's intent. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Jon ~ You're not going to get an argument from me. I'm part of the 70%, according to the polls, that think the whole thing was about re-election, not jobs. If he really wants jobs, then he has to get business to return and stop outsourcing. He has to make it so investors are not terrified and fleeing the country. He has to stop choking small business to death. Basically, he has to be replaced! Thanks for dropping by. As always, your comments are most welcome. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 8 months ago

Cjv123 ~ Thank you! I'm all for keeping both programs but giving them a major overhaul. I really do think we should have them for the elderly and the truly disabled. I would like to see major overhaul to other programs too like "welfare". The system has led to generations living out their entire lives dependent upon a monthly check from the government. We have to find a way to give a hand up instead of handout.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks! I very much appreciate your updates here. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Ilitek ~ You make a good point in that we are responsible for ourselves and there is not a better place to start. Happy hubbing.

Jon ~ You make some excellent points. I really like that you point out the distinction between rates for those earning by wages and those by investing. While I am all for changes in taxation, I am more for stopping waste and abuse. I think our government takes in plenty of money now. The money is not being used wisely.

I wonder just how actively the IRS is going after that money Buffet's company owes. It's no small sum. It seems to me the "system" is just ruined in this area. Even if the company paid the money, who would ultimately bear the burden of that payment? The consumers who use their products. Such expenses are always passed onto the customers one way or another. That is what enables these large corporations to get away with the atrocities they commit daily. Look at the drug companies. They are forever being sued for this or that last years best diet pill or what have you. They pay the fines and settlements and still end up making money hand over fist. And, the “losses” they did incur just gets passed on in higher prices. This much change. Just some thoughts.

Thank you for taking the time and for sharing your always insightful comments. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Wba108 ~ Hey, sounds good to me! There is so much fat to be trimmed it's insane. To me, when thinking of business and getting some jobs coming instead of going, it seems there are really two concurrent forces at work. There is big business that is not helping the country or the people; the opposite really is what they are doing. And yet they got all kind of bailout money. Then, there is small business, the backbone of our economy. They seem to be getting assaulted on all sides. The big businesses are squeezing them out and the insane government regulations are just another nail in the coffin.

Thanks for the read and the kind words. God bless and the happiest of hubbing.

Jon ~ I totally agree that government regulations are hurting business. With that said, I think the hurt is not always equitably divided amongst big business and small business. I think small business often bears more of the brunt. As small business suffers and shrinks, big business is growing. Both pass these costs on to the consumer, so as you say, “the guy on the bottom hurts the most.” There is however, to me, a major distinction to be made here. Small business really can’t afford things like shall we say the new health care and stay afloat. Some big businesses though are really raking in the quarterly profits for their shareholders in a major way, but yet they are outsourcing jobs and using tax loop holes and benefiting from regulation. They throw a lot of money around Washington and they see a return.

I think we must direct our leaders to promote the return of the production of goods via small business if we are to create jobs and stimulate the economy. Further, we must get a reign on the control big business exerts on our elected officials. For example, Monsanto, the FDA and the small farmers and ranchers. Check out hubs by Wesman Todd Shaw for details. They are scary but it’s the truth.

Thank you for your comments and your diligence. God bless you and may you have the happiest of happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Manly Man ~ Thank you for taking the time to comment. You may be right. The so called crisis may be created. Either way, we have to deal with it. Further, I totally agree the unemployment situation added to the economic situation have to come first. Fixing them will go a long way toward fixing the other as you say, through employment taxes. People have to be able to work therefore our government, in my opinion, really has to start applying some pressure to the companies that are outsourcing jobs yet still based and operating here. Thanks for contributing to the discussion. Happy hubbing.

Molometer ~ Thank you! That is the nicest thing I have heard all day. I wish we could just trust the people we pay to do the job to do it and fix this mess, but we can’t. Personally, I’m really tired of hearing people say in a year and a half we can fix it. We can’t wait that long. And, I don’t know that a new president will fix it. This situation was decades in the making. The current administration is just making it worse at the speed of sound. Happy hubbing and God bless.

Kathleen ~ I like it! You’re right about the “who gets to set their own salaries” part that’s for sure. I wish I could. I have heard of the Fair Tax but I’m not real awful familiar with the details of said proposal. I will have to work on that. Thanks for taking the time to read and your stellar points. God bless you and happiest of hubbing!

Ron ~ That number is mind boggling that’s for sure. I think we can pay it, and yes sir, it will hurt. I don’t see much of a choice and I wish our officials would start sending payments directly to the principal balance daily. There are some really good ideas in the comments from other hubbers on ways to do it. I think it will take a combination of many of them all going on at once to make even a dent but the longer we allow the “den” as you call them, love that by the way, to wait, the worse it will be. Further, I think you and many others have really hit on something when you mention loss of manufacturing. We have to start producing again. I think we have to virtually open the road so to speak, i.e. remove all regulative, legislative, and tax based obstacles to small business. American’s are hungry. If the government will just get out of the way and stop aiding “big business” to squeeze out the little guy, mom and pop operations would start springing up overnight with no end to the new products in sight.

Ending wars we will never win would help a LOT too, and I don’t just mean the ones in the middle east. Our military is spread way too thin. The war on drugs is not working and costing us a bundle. While I in NO way condone it’s usage, legalization would create a plethora of jobs and generate major tax revenue while virtually eliminating the crime associated with black market sales and distribution virtually overnight.

Thank you for your comments and for contributing to the discussion. God bless and keep you always and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ I again marvel at your ability to track all they do. 400 billion to dead folks huh? That's about par for the course these days. Yes sir, you got it right for sure. We need to get it back and I for one feel any one who took a dime of it needs to be in prison.

Right now I'm ticked off about the new proposed legislation banning over the counter inhalers. Parents are struggling just to afford those. They can’t pay for prescription ones and the doctor visits and tests that go with them. This is going to hurt children all over the country. You know, if I really think about it, basically, it comes down to people having to pay more to breathe.

God bless you Jon. Please continue to keep us posted on their antics.

Marcy ~ Thank you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Mark ~ The banks do have way too much power over not only our government but the world's. I'm not sure how to go about changing that. What are your thoughts?

Thanks for reading and commenting. God bless and happy hubbing!

Jon ~ Thank you sir for continuing the discussion. I agree about the philosophy being more important, but I have to disagree about the individuals. I think we have ignored and let slide way too much from them and need to start prosecuting. They took an oath to do what is best for America. In my opinion, they are doing what is best for themselves in many cases and we have to end it.

It aggravates me every time I hear the president talk about throwing more money at education. First off, the money he already threw was not used wisely and it did not go to hire more teachers, nor will future money. Infrastructure is great but it doesn't teach reading or math. Fancy buildings and gadgets will only waste more money.

God bless and keep you Jon and I hope you have a great weekend.

John000 ~ Thanks for taking the time to read and comment. Yea, it won't be easy that's for sure. Funny, if we ran our budgets like this we would all be dead in the street but yet, they just continue on as if it's business as usual. Maybe that's a large part of the problem, for them it is! God bless and happy hubbing!

Sparrowlet ~ Thank you. I'm glad you liked. Have a hubtastic Sunday.

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Loanyi ~ Thank you so much for your kind words. It's great how people are talking about things we can do. Now, if we can just move from us talking to our officials doing what we the people want, we will have it going on. God bless and happy hubbing.

Cassie ~ Yes, spending must be cut. I don't think those who really need a social safety net would have to be negatively impacted either. With that said, those who are milking the system and could work would have to be tossed off the rolls.

As was mentioned by John000, there are duplicate systems too, the epitome of waste. And, talk about the waste for just running our elected officials offices and meetings? Well, don't get me started. I recently got a link in email from a friend that directed me to an article showing where one of their meetings was catered with $16.00 muffins, that's a piece! It's insane. Waste, waste, waste and they all spout off about cutting it but funny how we never hear them cutting their own office budgets.

Thanks for taking the time to join in the discussion. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

PoliticsNOW ~ Thanks for reading and commenting though I can't agree with you. As for taxing the rich... Do you realize those who will be considered "rich" are families making over 200k a year? That's not rich. It doesn't even address the super rich that don't keep their money here anyway nor does it go after some of the largest corporations. I keep hearing tax the rich, but that's not what the proposed legislation reads like.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ You go dude! I mean that in the best way possible of course :). Your comments are always welcome and I for one love reading your updates. God bless!

JustMC ~ I have to start with WOW. Talk about impressive commenting, this is it. I can't say I agree with every point you made, especially in part A with the comparison but, I'm really liking the vast majority of your final 9. I agree one hundred percent on every single point save 5 and 6 and I agree with some of those. I think the "gradual" scaling back will be required but I just can't condone ever cutting off the elderly that worked hard and paid into the system. It should be their money. As for the next point, I agree with scaling back the military but honestly, I don't know if to 1/4 is the right amount or not.

I find your break down of the time line of anticipated events scary as all hell because I can't find any fault in your logic other than I think it might implode faster. I really like the tips you give for preparation and hope everyone follows your advice. Lastly, let me just say that I could not agree more with your comments on quantitative easing.

I thank you for a truly thoughtful and well presented contribution with practical ideas. Your comments here are a hub in and of themselves, most impressive. Happy hubbing and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ Hmm, I have to say, I would think a phone call would be pretty easy for him to pull off. I'm not impressed with what I have heard of Jobs Bill. The economic crisis and the debt crisis and unemployment are all intertwined. They are serious, immanent threat type problems yet our leaders, on all sides, are politicizing the issues. While that goes on the problems grow like the life sucking monsters that they are. They have to get something done to really improve the situation and they have to stop all the crazy spending.

Thank you for dropping in with an update. God bless you and have the happiest of hubbing.

JustMC ~ I hate the very thought of people having to work so long but I'm practical enough to know you're right out of mathematical necessity. I hold no illusions that I will ever collect a dime of SSI nor am I optimistic about collecting from the mandatory retirement system I have to pay into. I feel really sorry for anyone that thinks they will.

Thanks bunches for your most welcome comments. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ Thank you for the update. I wish this would derail the propaganda machine but somehow I doubt it. That's all this guy is. He has nothing else to fall back on if hype and propaganda is gone. God bless you sir~

JustMC ~ This is pretty harsh, hard core even. The situation is more so. With that in mind all I can say is AMEN! Don't get me wrong. Something like this will hurt in the immediate big time, but it has to happen. It's like the shot you need to get well. The longer one delays the worse it will be. You're right. We can't bet on proposed savings some time in the future. We need it right now. God bless and the happiest of hubbing for you.

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks bunches for the links and for keeping us up to date. I don't get it. You would think when his own guys won't support him he would get the idea and go for something new. It makes me wonder.

"Congress just isn’t interested because it affects your life, not theirs." Isn't that the truth!?! God bless you, Jon.

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Jon ~ Amen!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Jon ~ I have no doubt you are right about the delay. I heard an interesting statement, or theory if you will, just a bit ago. Someone said he felt the 99% protest was orchstrated by the dems. I wonder if perhaps there isn't some merit to that, especially after the way the unions were recently pulled into the circus that's going on. Your mention of "propaganda" made me think of it I guess.

Thank you for your update. God bless and keep you Jon and may all your hubs be happy.

Molometer ~ Hmm, well that sure would simplify things. No more having to balance the checkbook or hustle up a stamp for that one bill you just can't pay any other way. Actually, in all seriousness, I think you're right. I heard some time ago about a website where you could go and do just that but I don't remember the name of the site. It would be way cool though to have local exchange groups where you can change someone's oil in exchange for them sewing your new drapes or what have you. Not only would it save people money, but it would also bring communities together and encourage us all to get back to actually making things and doing things instead of pushing so much paper. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

Pinkchick18 ~ Thank you. I’m really glad you found it informative. I have learned so much since writing it. God bless you and happiest of hubbing!

Jon ~ Well, go figure. I knew this smelled of orchestrated. I am all for protesting when it is used for a just cause in a way that seeks betterment for people. What I am seeing of this “protest” is anything but that. They do not have a shared goal, or for that matter clearly defined goals agreed upon by all of them. Some of what they demand is in direct opposition to the founding principals of our nation. Did you hear one of the demands they are spouting is that Obama stay the President? Basically, that’s like saying they want a dictatorship where there are no elections and the king just sticks around regardless of the will of the people. I also heard them calling for the abolishment of all student loan debts. This frustrates me to no end having worked three jobs to put myself through college loan free. I keep hearing them spout about the 1% but really the redistribution they want effects the majority of tax payers. If we are to be totally real, the actual super rich 1% have houses all over the world. They don’t have to give up anything and we can’t make them. They can live anywhere they want and be totally free of American legal direction.

The redistribution they are speaking of would take money from just about any of us who work and are living above the poverty line. I think some of these “protesters” they really believe what they are saying would be best for everyone. They are wrong. I think many are young and have been mislead by what sounds good on paper but anyone with some real life experience and common sense knows just will not work. Not only will it not work, it would be the final nail in the coffin of America if what they want was to happen.

Thank you so much for taking the time to keep us all informed. God bless and keep you sir.

Magodis ~ You’re not alone. Many of us feel they are horrid and do not represent us at all. I can’t say all of them, but I think saying the vast majority would be a safe bet. I’m really sorry to hear you’re having the same problems. I think it’s global. I think greed, not only for money but also power and recognition must lie at the heart of what causes this kind of behavior they exhibit. That greed knows no national, gender, racial or ethnic boundaries. We need people of principle, character and inner strength in positions of power. Those types are getting harder and harder to find.

Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. God bless and happy hubbing.

Style-of-life ~ Hmm. Well, I will say this, I head we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet “x” number of times over. I don’t remember the exact number. I think it was 14 and it was some time ago that I heard it. My point is that we only have the one planet. We could only destroy it the one time. Anything over and above that is really kind of pointless. From that perspective you are correct. Thanks for comments. God bless and happy hubbing.

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Doodlebugs ~ Point taken with the fact that most first ladies have spent absurd amounts of our money though I will point out the china in question stayed in the White House and therefore in a way is public property. I think it’s got to be stopped for all future first ladies and for this one now. I have to agree we do throw away tons of money to other countries that we end up spending more money to fight. In my opinion, if we don’t intend to go in and win from day one hard and fast we should not be there at all. Further, our military is spread way too thin. The corruption is spread around between Washington and Wall Street that’s for sure though I have hope of them being purged and put on the right track. Thanks and God bless.

Mike ~ Your knowledge of the financial situation is scary mostly because your right. The only point I would take contention with is the time line. I don’t think it will take five much less ten. I think we will do good to go a year at this rate. What I really don’t get, yet, is how would an abolishment of the Fed be brought about? Who has the power? Since they are not part of the government, who would be the regulatory agency that would go after them? Can they be prosecuted? Under what laws? Don’t get me wrong, I want to see them relieved of their monopoly on our financial future, I just don’t see the specific steps needed to make it happen. How, exactly, would we go about abolishing them?

Thanks bunches for taking the time to drop by. God bless and happiest of hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

JustMC ~ Forgive my ignorance here but are not all other banks audited regularly? If that is the case, what legal loophole is allowing the Fed not to be? Is it that they are so rich and so powerful our officials are either scared to mess with them or are already on their payroll? How scary that some entity totally outside our government has the purse strings. But then, if they are outside our government, and they seem to have a monopoly, which I believe isn't kosher, well I'll just say it... they sound like organized crime. I think an argument could made for going after them under the same laws used to prosecute mobsters. I could be so wrong here. What are your thoughts?

poetvix Hub Author 7 months ago

JustMC ~ Thank you for the book tip :).

I have heard before that a full audit is required. In fact, that has been going around for a while. It makes me wonder why it has not already happened. Perhaps my horror loving side is showing, but I suspect it's because our leaders already know what they will find and they don't want the news to get out. I hope I am wrong about that by the way. Thanks for dropping back by with the information and always welcome comments. Happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 6 months ago

JustMC ~ Interesting distinction, but ultimately, it all falls regardless. It is like you say, "when confidence is lost". A most scary thought for a most scary season. I don't see our, or the world's economies for that matter, improving. Confidence is eroding, if not totally toast already. I think we are in for a very bumpy ride. I mean really, what is much more scary than the chaos that will ensue from a global economic meltdown?

Thank you for your time and your comments, both are always welcome.

poetvix Hub Author 6 months ago

JustMC ~ Well! That was excellent. I think you stated the reality of the situation exceedingly well. I only question one point, and it's a minor one at that. I wonder if the money one gets out of a bank now, if one so decides to do so, will be worth anything. I'm getting the idea paper money will be useless except perhaps for burning to stay warm or cook with. Even if people get their money out, if it's so devalued it can't buy anything, it all still falls. I hope that's me giving into the scary season here, but I kind of doubt it.

Thank you so much for the truly outstanding contribution to this ongoing discussion!

Sue ~ Agreed. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy hubbing.

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JustMC ~ I have been hearing more and more to convert. But then, a day or so ago, I heard the craziest theory that went something like when the economy collapses they plan to tax gold exchanges at a 90% rate. They don't want us to have any financial freedom at all was the gist of it. Of course this was just a rumor but it was interesting. Regardless of the legitimacy of the aforementioned, paper will certainly become virtually useless at some point. That point, in my mind, could be any day sadly. The world's economies just seem to be taking one hit after another like dominos set to fall at just the right time.

Thanks for dropping and clarifying. You and your thoughtful comments are always welcome. Happy hubbing!

Sue ~ You may be right. There is talk now of a new push toward a global bank or some authority over global banking or some such I was hearing this morning on the drive in. It's the last thing we need.

Thanks for stopping by and happiest of hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

JustMC ~ Thank you :). I am so sorry it took me so long to respond. I have no excuse other than being scatter brained at times. God bless you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ I wish there was more than one approve button for your comment. I do have to say however, I think Obama has done more than most presidents... Towards destroying our great nation! America has declined and suffered more under his leadership than any other president in my lifetime. I could not agree more that the days of blaming former president Bush should be long over. I might, might mind you, have a modicum of respect for the man if he would just step up and take responsibility for something! But nooooo (hear the dripping sarcasm there). It reminds me of young people when they get caught doing something wrong. Typically the first words I hear are so in so made me do it! It's their fault! Um hum. I expect it from youngsters. This man is supposed to be the leader of the free world. Geez!

Thank you as always for commenting. Your thoughts and opinions are always welcome here and valued too. God bless you always and your family. Merry Christmas!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks for the update. I always find them timely and informative. I do not see where anything he has done is in the best interest of the nation. I do not think he is a stupid man therefore I have to think he is hurting us on purpose, my opinion only of course. There are many words for this type of action in the dictionary. One could start looking under the letter T. Enough said.

God bless and keep you always.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ Well, isn't that just a merry Christmas for we the people? Sadly, many will only see the fourty dollars and think him a champion of their rights. They don't yet understand how cheaply they are selling what is priceless.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ AMEN! And, a most Merry Christmas for you and yours.

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J80Caldwell ~ Thank you very much for the read, comment and kind words on this most special of nights. May God bless and keep you and yours in the year to come and all the years after.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Cbpoet ~ It really is. It's going to get worse. Thank you so much for reading and commenting. Happy New Year and God bless you and yours in the days to come.

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Jon ~ We are in a pathetic state of affairs to be sure. I had heard he is a begging again making it look like it is in the best interest of the poor. To my way of thinking, his kind of leadership not only keeps the poor poor but also adds to their numbers by the minute.

In regards to the money -WE HAVE TO SAY NO! HELL NO! Give me a break! This crazy group at the helm is dragging us all into ruin. RUIN I say. Sorry about the rant but geez!

God bless you Jon. I always look forward to your commentaries on the current state of the union. (I have come to think of them as such.) I could really see you having a daily bit on talk radio with these. Happy New Year and God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Greg ~ Thank you for reading and commenting. I don't blame anyone for not reading all the comments here, who has all day? Two, I think, have mentioned it and I agree. God bless and have a Happy New Year!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Millionaire Tips ~ Thank you for reading and commenting. I don't blame anyone for not wading through all those comments! I had to do it in increments myself and some of them are really nasty.

You're right. There is waste in all parties. It has to end across the board. God bless you and yours and Happy New Year!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Solorcaptian ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and contribute. I'm glad our guys and gals are coming home. I worry for them too as I don't think our leaders will rank caring for their needs be they emotional, physical, or vocational highly on the countries to do list. You make some other points which I'm going to have to ponder for a bit.

God bless you, sir and Happy New Year.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

M 20alchemist ~ Thanks for reading and adding to the discussion. I'm not sure it would be a marketable export as some other countries are growing their own now and have strict laws against the American version being smuggled in because they are afraid it might corrupt the quality of their own plants which are supposedly superior. I would like to see America again producing and exporting something! Again, thanks for the read and the comment. God bless and Happy New Year.

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Zainnisar ~ Thank you for contributing, for your time and for your thoughts. I think all foreign aid should be cut off until such time as we get our own house in order. After that, in my opinion, it should only be for disaster relief and for causes that support human rights. I am not for big brother poking his nose in everyone else's business, including my own. The peoples of the world can run themselves I'm sure if left alone to do so.

I think we are all affected by the major economies of the world, not just America's. This too must change. I think of it this way... We need a firewall for lack of a better term to insulate each nation from the economic woes of the others. The money moguls have seen to it, on purpose or not, that we are all so connected if one falls we all do. God help us all.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

JustMC ~ You make an excellent point. I stand corrected. Further, we do need to do so as individuals for as Zainnisar mentioned, most of it goes to administrators, not the folks in need so thank you to you both.

God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Daveearley ~ Thank you for your time and for contributing to this ongoing discussion. Money is the root of all evil, no doubt about that. I heard somewhere JFK opposed the idea of the Fed right before he was offed, but I don't know if that is true.

God bless and Happy New Year!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ Happy New Year to you.

Yes, I pray they come back and do what's good for Americans, for we the people.

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Kulin ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and contribute to this ongoing discussion. I had no idea when I wrote this that such would ever happen. It was just a rant because of the credit downgrade and how it angered me. Since then I have learned so much.

We elected our government officials and for that we are to blame. We shall remedy that in November, assuming the world hasn't gone to hell before then. That's a BIG assumption mind you.

I can't argue the fact that many, many people are abusing the system. In fact, that's point number two in this hub. Please forgive me for saying Medicare/Disability specifically without adding all the other social programs.

Others too have mentioned the abuse of personal credit. They and you are correct. We must all behave responsibly and all of us don't. Sadly, this will be used in the end to oppress us all if the powers that are at the helm on this rock we call a planet have their way.

God bless you and Happy New Year.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

htodd ~ Thanks for reading and commenting. They won't fix the situation but it is a start. We have to demand the spending stop. He wants more you know. A trillion I think. God bless you in the new year.

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Millionaire Tips ~ Thank you! God bless and Happy New Year :).

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Glen ~ Thank you for reading and for contributing to this ongoing discussion. Yes, Mike is great! Funny in a not ha-ha way isn't it that we don't hear anything about that in relation to JFK on TV, or in the movies? The Fed has to go.

Sadly, I see abuses to our social support systems daily and I do mean daily. It's a national disgrace, in my opinion, that so many leech off a system and the ones who really need it half the time can't get through the ever changing paperwork. I think there is more than enough for those who really need it, if we toss the rest off. People say that would lead to unrest, crime and so forth. We have that now.

It amazes me how many are chiming in here. I love it!

God bless you in the year to come and may God bless us all. We are going to need it.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jim ~ First, I want to thank you for your time and intelligent comment regardless of the fact that I do not agree with all the points you made.

I do not think all illegal’s should be entitled to a free education here. If you really look at the situation you will see, especially in the area of those with severe developmental disabilities who will never be voters anyway, this segment uses the system for free day care. In the area of non low end sped. students some do learn and work hard. I can't begrudge a child that. Many others are predators selling drugs on campuses, starting serious gang wars and much worse. When they get in trouble with the law they high tail it home for a few months until everything blows over. They provide phony information when enrolling. Many of them are not children but grown men who look young and lie about their age. For the safety and education of our own American children it has to end.

I totally agree with revamping the medical system and I think such would benefit all citizens not just illegal aliens. I don't have it in my heart to turn away a child but at the same time if we don't, we will end up turning away all children for the system will fall. It's a hard and ugly truth of our reality.

Do some checking on that comment you made about Clinton. At one time I though the same thing. He got the credit for it but he didn't do it. Check it for yourself.

Thanks again for contributing, truly. God bless you and yours and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Self reliance ~ Thanks bunches for reading and deciding to contribute to the discussion. You make some good points. Too many of us waste. Too many of us buy into the entitlement mentality. Personally, while I have a dryer, I love my clothes line. While I agree we all have to take more responsibility for ourselves and our neighbors, I can't agree with the part about doctors deciding who gets care and who doesn't. I see to much potential for abuse. The elderly that worked hard all their lives and paid into the system deserve to be taken care of. The children born with ailments not of their making deserve our help. There has to be middle, common sense ground that is prudent, practical and yet humane at the same time. It would help tremendously if the insurance compaines would recognize alternative forms of medicine do work and are much more cost effective.

God bless you and yours in the coming year and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Feenix ~ You make a really good point. I don't see where we the people got anything for all the debt we have. Perhaps we did and if so I would love to know what it is. I do know this spend now and pay later mentality on the hill is not rational and is hurting us all be we to the left or right on the political spectrum. Thank you for contributing to this ongoing discussion. God bless you and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

JustMC ~ I don't think that was the point made, or at least that's only part of it. Yes, many live beyond their means, but many don't and everyone is suffering for our leaders excessive spending that was not beneficial for the country. While I may not agree, your comments are welcome as are all polite contributions to the discussion. God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

JustMC ~ Thank you for the clarification, very much. Yes, now that I understand what you meant, I agree. I have to go back to what Granny used to say. If you can't pay cash for it don't buy it. I wish I had lived that way all of my life. She was right. I see many, many Americans tightening the belt now out of need and others out of wisdom. I just wish our leaders would do the same with our money and start telling the truth. Lastly, I think we should really start looking at what the young are learning from all of this. Many of them think bankruptcy is what you do when you run out of credit so you can start over and that as such one isn’t really required to ever pay for anything. Thank you again for coming back and clarifying. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ Thanks for a new update. I hope you are doing well in this new year.

Yes, he wants to waste more of our money. Yes, his health care plan is wrought with hidden cost he never advertised. The poor, who he claims to champion, will be hurt the most and sadly they are his biggest supporters having fallen for the lies. It has to end. My new motto: ROCK THE VOTE 2012! God bless and keep you, Jon and thanks again.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ You won't get an argument from me. I am a teacher and as such am required to join a union because I am required to carry the insurance. I seldom if ever agree with what they want or support with my dollars and they could not care less. In ten years I have called them once for advice and got told why don't you just quit. I have no use for the unions and less for the politicians they buy.

The country needs a balanced budget. The people need to come first in action not just rhetoric.

God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

CMerritt~ Thank you! I'm glad you dropped by. You ventured into the comments, huh? You are a brave man indeed. It's like a mosh pit at times. I think it's because we all care deeply about this subject but our ideas on how to handle it show how truly divided we have become. Thank you so very much for your time and kind words. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Perspycacious ~ Thank you for your time and your comment. Actually, I have heard that he is now asking that it be raised to 21 trillion. While I started this the day I heard of the credit downgrade, it is still a hot topic, though not a hot hub. Maybe I can do some updates. We, for sure, need some new blood, ideas and a return to the Constitution by our elected officials. The hill needs a total redo! Thanks bunches for your thoughts and God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Billybuc ~ Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment. I very much appreciate it.

In my opinion, revamping the election process would help in a few ways.

1st - It would allow the common man to have a better shot at running which would in turn help restore faith which could stimulate spending.

2nd - Campaigns are contributed to by companies both directly and indirectly. When the election is over they get paid back in "favors", are awarded things like defense contracts, get legislation passed that favors them and the like. Seldom does that favor the people. In fact, at times, it costs us. The more costs we incur the less we have to spend. The less we spend the more business suffers. The more they suffer the less they pay in taxes.

3rd - Revamping the election process, mostly as it relates to televised things, would encourage a return to more local visits which in turn generates more local dollars being spent to go see the candidates. It also might help the average American to have a little more faith in things. Consumer faith is down big time right now which translates economically into us hanging onto more of our dollars which hurts the economy. Everything is connected.

Of course all of this operates on the assumption that if the government had more money it could make larger payments on the principal balance of the debt. That’s a big assumption!

Point 9 addresses freedoms being taken away from us. When I wrote it I was mostly speaking about how the freedom of choice in spending has been limited thereby limiting who gets our money and sadly, sometimes sending it into underground markets, black markets. Things that are allowed to be legally sold and not taxed to death generate tax dollars when they are purchased which makes more money for the local governments and more taxable income for business. I guess you would call it a trickle up effect.

I hope this has clarified what I intended when I wrote this. I am planning on updating it in the near future with three more key points, when I finish Obomica chapter five.

Thanks again for taking the time. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ AMEN! You conclusionary sentence said it all. Distortion is the word my friend. I am currently reading about the proposed 1 trillion dollar cut to the defense budget along with the additions to entitlements. Lunacy!

Another thought on distortion comes to mind when I consider the fact that the so called leader recently proposed to shrink the government. This is something he has never done in his term. In fact he has grown it exponentially. While stating now he wants to shrink it, he's still adding thousands of jobs to the IRS while stating he's going to lay off 80k soldiers. Again, I say lunacy!

Thank you, sir for continuing to keep us updated on his latest antics. God bless you, Jon. I dearly love your updates and I thank you not only for them but for your time and your ongoing efforts.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ This is one of the smarter things he has done. Deceptive to no end, but not stupid. Some will buy into this and really think he is first, looking to shrink government, second, trying to comprimise with the republicans, and third, trying to reduce the nation's debt. If he had done anything like this during his term, I might fall for it myself. He has not! This is the opposite of what he has done and is just him throwing the dogs a bone. It's all about the election. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

God bless you Jon. Happy hubbing and keep fighting the good fight!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

SanXuary ~ Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. While I'm not sure about the tax thing, I surely do like the removal of conflicts of interest! I like the signatures required for lobbyist too. Nationalized health care would be nice, if affordable. I don't think the reduction in student debt that results from medical school would do it. Hospitals are big business. It would be a stellar start!

God bless you and thank you so much for contributing to this ongoing discussion. Happy hubbing and keep it up with the good ideas!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Billybuc~ Color me impressed! As a political science teacher, you would know more about this stuff than I would. I originally wrote this as a rant. I have learned so much since having done so. I teach what used to be called life skills so politics and economics are not my bag. I'm still, daily, trying to learn more about this. I think we all have to for we surely can not trust our government.

Were it up to me, and many, many of us, lobby groups would be outlawed post haste. It will not be easy to make that happen. Our leaders will not want to let go of the kind of money they make from them.

God bless you. Thanks bunches for returning to the discussion and may all of your hubbing be happy!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

SanXuary ~ I have not seen the comprehensive list of the major players that did not pay taxes for I have no doubt it would sicken me. I did hear Kim K. didn't and that alone made me want to hurl. I support business, but they do need to pay taxes and I think "x" percent of income across the board for individuals and companies alike with NO loopholes would be fair.

Further, you make a good point about hospitals and education. Hospitals do mark up everything. My mother is a currently retired nurse and a damn good one with over 30 years experience. She had to retire because they don't want to hire her. She has too much experience and they can hire in a freshly graduated nurse for significantly less. I find it impossible to believe that getting employees with no experience because they are cheaper equals quality care. I'm seeing the same trend in teaching. I'm still young enough it doesn't affect me too much with only ten years experience, but I know a veteran teacher who was just forced out over this mess. Knowing the man, I can't say he's a great teacher, but the point stands. Experience is valuable and needed but the higher ups in both fields are currently more concerned with money than excellence.

Thank you for returning and continuing the discussion. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

Jon ~ Good morning. Thank you for the lead. I will pass it on to her. Have a most hubtastic day! God bless.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

@Jonta - Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. I’m glad to hear our economy is not the worst, but I’m very competitive by nature… I want to be the best! Further, this situation is at critical levels and if we do not address it soon we can kiss our nation goodbye. God bless and happy hubbing.

@Shollnd10 - Thanks bunches for the read and the kind words and the link and the vote! You are so sweet. God bless you and may all of your hubbing be happy.

@Siena Pies - First, thank you for the read and the contribution to the ongoing discussion. You do understand. For Medicare or Medicaid one must be a certain age or disabled, as you stated. I have yet to see a special needs student that did not qualify hence the mention of young people. Many automatically assume special needs means a hard to overcome disability. That is not the case. For example, a qualification for a disability in reading or math is achieved by ranking as two years behind expectations in either subject. Most think oh, poor dear, they just can’t get the material. Sometimes this is true. More often said student has moved around a lot, gotten involved in drugs or gangs, or just been dealt a wretched home life. All suck for the child but that does not mean he/she can’t learn just like any other non labeled student. Yet, once the label is applied, said student almost always qualifies for Medicare or Medicaid.

Let me put it this way… Let’s say you have a truly disabled student. I would want to help them! Now let’s say that student gets an ingrown toenail. I see this all the time. Parents take them to the hospital, often an emergency room for what is obviously not an emergency and we pay for it. I don’t think we should be paying for it. The laws were set up to help this population and that’s great, except that it is being abused on a level that is insane.

Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 months ago

@seattleamalehigh1~ Thanks for the read and comment. I'm not sure I get the connection. I think I do, but without knowing for sure do not feel comfortable addressing it. Would you care to elaborate for clarification, please?

@ Sinea Pies - I owe you a huge apology. I am so sorry I misspelled your screen name above. I’m dyslexic and can’t spell to save my life. Spell check doesn’t work for names. Again, major apologies and I really do appreciate your comment.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

La Pit Master ~ Thank you for the read and the comment.

I do not assume in any way shape or form that everyone getting an entitlement of any kind is a "low life." I have been clear about that. I do see much abuse, daily. As for the jobs part, yes they are hard to find but not impossible, at least not here. It may be worse in your state, I don't know.

I do know if you study the information gathered over the last several decades you will see that many on entitlements are generational. They never get off nor do their children. I see this as a form of slavery. I agree they need jobs but I do not for one second think the government will help. In fact, I see the entitlements as a way of keeping them down. Yes, the government should help business who in turn will create jobs but we can't trust them to do it. We must do it for ourselves.

You state "are you going to give them a job?" Yes, as a special needs teacher part of my job is to get students jobs and I have gotten them many. I have also had parents refuse to allow their child to work because they, the parent, did not want to give up the check. Yes, some really need help and God knows I want them to have it. Many don't. Period. It's sad and it's ugly but it's true.

You say you "won't blame... for taking advantage of the government." Do you realize that means you and me? It's our tax money. I want better jobs for everyone! I'm not going to go rip off the system or take advantage of it because I may or may not get everything I want or need from the job I have.

Our founding fathers did not guarantee the government would ensure everyone had a job. If you study history, you will find so many more people were self sufficient and farming then as compared to now. You will further find things favored small business and hard work then, not now. As for being dirt poor, that sucks and I know for I have been there. I wish for you better conditions but pray you know better than to count on government to get it for you for if not, you're in more trouble than you think.

I do not mean any of this to sound contentious, though I obviously do not agree with some of your points. I do hope God blesses and keeps you always and I thank him that we still live in a country where we are free to have dissenting opinions. If you keep up with current legislation then you know that right is being attacked from all sides.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Tara Chappell1 - Thanks bunches for the read and the kind comment. I don't want to run the world. I would help but I seriously doubt they want my brutal honestly anywhere near some kind of power. I hate it's bad all over but it surely is. We have to all speak out, loud and long. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Erikasreview ~ First, thank you so much for reading and commenting.

I agree completely the current President did not start the mess we are in. I don't see where his policies will improve it though. Further, I think we can lay blame at the feet of every President for the last 50 years. However, they are gone. He's in charge now. Debt crisis aside, I see some of the legislation passed under his watch as darn dangerous to freedom! Honestly, I think some under Bush was too but this guy has taken it further. More to the point, I don't trust any of them on either side. I want to see a return to freedom, to the ideals of the Constitution, to a national work ethic, to putting American business first and holding them and our leaders accountable to the American people. While I am laying much of this at the current leader's feet, I agree all branches of government are to blame. I feel too that his appointment of Czars and by-passing of congress is a horrible snub at the principles of democracy. His printing of more and more money is only weakening the dollar. His proposed cuts to defense will cripple our military. The attacks on free speech are coming from all sides. The bill of rights is being whittled down daily.

I found your comment to be very insightful in many ways and you are right in that there is blame to go around. God bless you and may all of your hubbing be happy.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Billybuc~ I'm glad you responded again and hope you will feel free to do so as many times as you wish. You ran for office? Wow, that must have been an experience. I can only imagine. I do tend to stir things up, always have. I doubt it will help, but I'm not going to stop trying.

God bless you! May all of your hubs be happy.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

JSaggs - Now that is a point worth pondering!

God Bless You! Stand! I like it.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

La Pit Master – Thank you so much for returning to the discussion.

While part of your statements I feel are correct in that there are less people working now and we have always had corruption, it only addresses on side. Again, more people were self employed in the past and women were not counted for much of that time as we tended to often be stay at home moms.

Technology has taken the place of some jobs. It has created others in many fields. Look how many people are making money from home with Hubpages. That was not possible just 20 years ago and technology is what has allowed it to be so. In India, it has allowed thousands to go work in call centers that would have unemployed otherwise. Technology brings hardships but rewards as well. As with all cyclic things some are displaced and others gain. That is the nature of things and has been in every age.

As for the Fed, you state “the one entity that gives us a modicum of control…” Sorry, but that is incorrect. The Fed is not part of the Federal government. It takes all control from we the people. It needs to go. See comments from Mikenv, or read some of his hubs as he has researched that one issue extensively.

I very much appreciate your opinions, regardless of if I agree with them all and I truly do thank you for returning and contributing to this ongoing discussion. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

@Samsung8 ~ Thanks bunches for listing several products in the technology sector that created jobs in manufacturing, sales, repair, service and so on. Have a great day and God bless.

@Elani-Lee - I agree on all counts. I do not advocate people smoking that stuff, but it has many other uses such as making textiles and non pollutant emitting gas. The war on drugs has cost billions and never worked. Prohibition proved it never will.

I love the idea of taxing illegals. Most other countries are in no way kind to them. I'm all for immigration, but not invasion and I could not agree more about entitlements and officials salaries.

God bless you. Thank you for reading and contributing to the ongoing discussion. Have a most hubtastic day!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

La Pit Master - Thank you for returning to the discussion. I never said, as is plain, that I felt everyone was robbing the system. I stand by the statement that some are. I look forward to reading your hubs. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Chelseacharleston- Thank you! None of us agree on every point ;). I'm so glad you took the time to read and really appreciate your comment. God bless and may all of your hubbing be happy.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Erikasreview ~ Thank you! I agree, it's a great thing we talk about things and try to stay informed. I don't think our media, today, makes that an easy task. I am terrified for what we will have left for our children. I really think if we don't make a stand now, there will be nothing left to stand for. God bless you and yours!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

JYOTI KOTHARI - You are very right in that they do not change easily. I don't agree with the word choice "revolution" for I think it has some violent implications, but we surely need a change back to the principles America was founded on, a real change, not just one that pays lip service toward that end to appease and shut up the people. I look forward to reading your hubs on the topic. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

cmp2417 ~ Thank you so much for taking the time to read and comment. I agree! Charity begins at home. How can we justify sending money overseas when we have American born children starving right here?

God bless and happiest of hubbing for you!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Laurens Wright ~ Thank you so much for the read and kind comment. You are so right, "the continued flow of money and control of people's minds." That really says it all. We have got to first, I think, get people to wake up. Next, if the leaders don't want to get on board and really go about fixing things, then we have to stop the flow of money. I could be wrong, but I think most of it is corporate money going into their pockets. Corporations largely get money from we, the consumers. Maybe we need to start checking on what to buy from whom... or not! For instance, I for one will NEVER buy Roundup again.

Have a most blessed day and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Jon - First, let me say it is good to see you. I hope all is well with you, the state of the union aside.

Vote him out is the motto! It is the only way we have a shot at saving America.

Everything you say is good, valid points all and I thank you for the information. Let me add, there have been assaults to freedom under this legislation to rival no other, and that's saying something. Rock the vote in 2012! Occupy the booths people! Speak out long and loud.

Jon, you should check out our fellow hubber, TheManWithNoPants and his housefire project at http://housefireproject.com/. You can link to it from my profile or his. It's well worth reading. God bless you always and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Bludwiczac - Thank you so much for your time and stellar comment. Your are right. Taxes will go up and spending must go down, however, I propose it does not have to be this way. So much money is wasted. Further, the creation of new jobs by the private sector, which will only happen if certain things are repealed, would automatically generate new income that would then be taxed. We have so many redundant programs, so much pork barrel legislation all of which equals dollars. If the debt ceiling is raised again though, we are toast.

God bless you and have a most hubtastic day. Thanks again for a most insightful comment.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

JustMC - Thank you for contributing to the ongoing discussion in such a constructive manner. While I agree with most of your comments, the last paragraph is scary, mostly because it may come to that. I agree, the strike may be necessary. God bless you and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Jon - It's good to see you this morning. I doubt not a word. He has shown again and again that uniting people is not what he's about. I have to get off to work but I look forward to checking out the link when I get off. Thank you so much for the update. Have a wonderful day and God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Jon - The videos were great! I have always believed he is a Muslim and always will. Many things he does and has done indicate that fact though it is seldom his words but rather his actions. With that in mind, how can a successful America be his goal? Is that not a contradiction?

Have a great weekend, Jon. You do America a great service with your ongoing updates and unwavering dedication to the truth. God bless you.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Jon - Thank you so much for your ongoing commentary and updates to the discussion. I really look forward to them.

I wish I could argue the validity of just one single point. I can't. It's true to the detriment of us all.

Thank you so much for taking the time. God bless you, my friend.

Side note - everyone keeps talking about him raising taxes on the rich. It's not just them. Look at your own come April. I had to pay in much more last year and have been warned it will be much more this year. I'm a teacher! It's not like I'm rolling in the dollars here.

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

Jon - It's good to see you. Thank you for dropping by. Yes, half truths and propaganda have been taken to an all new level under this administration. I think he gets by congress because he totally bypasses them altogether. I want charges filed and I'm not kidding. So many keep saying just wait to the election but I don't think we can afford to wait. Impeach him now! Just my opinion there. God bless and happy hubbing to you!

poetvix Hub Author 3 months ago

gjfalcone - Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. We are in it up to our eyeballs. Everyday the interest on this debt grows exponentially. It's not right and they won't fix it on their own, i.e. do their jobs, or it would not exist. We have to get them motivated! God bless and may all of your hubbing be happy.

poetvix Hub Author 8 weeks ago

Neil - Thanks for taking the time to join in the ongoing discussion. You make a good point. If the governments could fix this, I doubt we would be in this boat. We do have to come up with not only the solutions but further the means of implementation and then get about the hard work of seeing it gets done. I think we all know much of what should be done, but we have to find a way to make those in power do it. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Neil Sperling ~ Thank you for taking the time to return and contribute to the ongoing discussion. You got my undivided. I would dearly love to hear suggestions on how to achieve that! How do we go about taking back our power while keeping America free and not falling into chaos? I keep listening to suggestions from those running and I just can't believe a word any of them say from either side. If I were to do nothing but listen to them and chart every time they flip flopped or contradicted themselves, my chart would be bigger than my house.

God bless and happy hubbing always!

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Caleb D.G. - Thank you for taking the time to drop in and comment. I think many of us agree. Funny how we can all figure it out but our leaders can't. I'm being sarcastic of course. It does make me wonder what their true goal is for it can't be making things better or they would. God bless and happy hubbing for you!

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Neil - Thank you for the response and contribution to the ongoing discussion. I like your points and think they can be effective over the long term, but I also think we have to find some right now type solutions. The bottom line is that we are not in power and our leaders are. They used to work for us. They no longer do. I think we should start taking it back today but lighting up emails and phones and any other form of communication we can to make our voices heard on Obamacare since the courts are taking it on starting today. We must draw a line. Our government can not be allowed to dictate what we must or must not buy. Nor can we allow them to give our money away to cronies screaming they are too big to go under. The bail out will most likely be viewed a hundred years from now as the biggest rip off of the largest group of folks ever.

Thanks bunches for your contributions. God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Jon - It's good to see you. I hope you are well. Thank you for the update and the link.

It makes sense to me that this administration is doing everything they can to NOT pass a budget. It allows for them to spend however they wish with no regard to the fact that they are robbing the nation. Without congressional approval one really has to wonder if that is not what this unauthorized spending is. We all have a lot to think about and November has never seemed further away. God bless and happy hubbing always.

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Perspycacious ~ Thank you for taking the time to comment. You're right. That train is running full steam straight for our bankruptcy! Superman might require the entire Justice league to back him up on this one.

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Neil - Looking forward to the read. Thanks bunches for taking the time. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Blake4d - Hi you! It's good to see you here. I know, the comments are like a small country! I think we should name it PC sucks.

I'm looking forward to the reads. Your stuff is always way interesting and I always learn a lot. Lately I'm brain dead from work and some stuff going on around here so I'm more than a little behind on my reading. I will catch up. God bless and take care of you. Peace.

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Neil - Hi there. Wow. That was an interesting link. I can't say I agree with everything he says, but I do agree with much of it and most especially the general gist... All nations are corrupt. Thanks for sharing. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Just MC - Thank you for taking the time to dig into the Venus project. I hit the link but did not have time to go further. I could not agree more with your statement "The answer is individual liberty." That one statement really sums things up rather well. The more we rely on governments or call on them to supposedly fix problems, the more we sacrifice our freedom, the more power over us we give them. They have too much now.

Thank you so much for your insightful comment. God bless!

poetvix Hub Author 4 weeks ago

Phoebe - Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. Yes! Frightening is the word. Did you hear the latest? Now our leader is giving 1.5 billion dollars of our money, without congressional approval, to the Muslim brotherhood. And we wonder why we are in debt. God bless and happy hubbing!

poetvix Hub Author 4 weeks ago

Jon - Amen to your last statement! That man is the best at deception I have ever seen bar none! I don't think we will get a budget passed while he is in office. Why should he want that? Then he would be bound to follow it. Why do that when what he's doing now gives him total freedom to steal the country blind? In my opinion, it's embezzlement! God bless and happy hubbing.

poetvix Hub Author 4 weeks ago

Neil - Thank you so much for the links. I just finished watching the video. Scary stuff. I think it's pretty simple why we are not hearing of it though I doubt anyone will like what I think. In my opinion, what this administration has done is speed the downfall of America and the ideals of freedom as no other ever has done. If what is proposed in that video happens, and it will, it will further weaken us. That's why we are not hearing about it. The media, TV anyway, has been bought and paid for. They are no longer the watch dogs of the people but have become the guard dogs of the establishment. We are just the kibble.

Thanks again. God bless and happiest of hubbing for you.

poetvix Hub Author 4 weeks ago

Sligobay - Hi there! It's good to hear from you. I haven't been around much for weeks and it was great to see you upon my return. To be totally honest, I don't know how are why this hub is getting the traffic it is. This was not a thought out planned type of hub. This was a rant! Maybe I should rant more often :).

God bless you. I hope you are well.

poetvix Hub Author 4 weeks ago

Mary - First, thank you very much for your time in both the read and the comment. I know! It's like they study how to waste the most! I can't for one second believe they don't know better so I have to suspect they want to bankrupt us. No kidding, I have seen children do a better job of managing money. God bless and happy hubbing!